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Thursday, January 19, 2006

Cliffy, Platoon Candidate? - Part Deux

Ah, part duex of deux. I'm ready for people to complain about this one.

Things we know.

1) We know Cliff hits lefties well for lefty, but posted a .239/.296/.336 line in 2004 and a .224/.284/.427 line in 2005.
2) We know Cliff hits righties better overall than Nady or Diaz hands down.
3) We know Nady kills lefties to the tune of a .321/.388/.350 line since coming into the league in 262 at-bats.
4) We know Nady gets killed by righties and has hit (or not hit) them to the tune of a .232/.282/.395 line, or basically, Doug Mientkiewicz.
5) We know that in Diaz's short time in the league, he has posted a .262/.342/.369 line against lefites and a .263/.324/.504 line against righties. His sample size against lefties is small as he really has not gotten the chance to play against them, but one could assume his power numbers should improve somewhat which basically will even his numbers out.

Armed with all that, let us look at the splits and how they would have looked by pairing up the platoon pair's lefty/right stats combined with the other player's full time stats.
                 AB  Avg Obp   Slg HR/AB RBI/AB
Diaz vs. Right 226 .257 .327 .496 20.5 6.6
Nady vs. Left 124 .323 .400 .452 41.3 7.8
Floyd Full Time 550 .273 .358 .505 16.2 5.6
Total 900 .276 .356 .496 18.8 6.1
                 AB Avg   Obp Slg HR/AB RBI/AB
Floyd vs. Right 407 .290 .382 .533 16.3 5.6
Diaz vs. Left 54 .259 .339 .352 54.0 13.5
Nady Full Time 326 .261 .320 .439 25.1 7.6
Total 787 .276 .354 .482 20.2 6.6
                 AB  Avg  Obp Slg HR/AB RBI/AB
Floyd vs. Right 407 .290 .382 .533 16.3 5.6
Nady vs. Left 124 .323 .400 .452 41.3 7.8
Diaz Full Time 280 .257 .329 .468 23.3 7.4
Total 811 .284 .367 .498 20.3 6.4
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With the knowledge that Cliff has played 108 games, 113 games, and 150 games in his first years with the Mets and only played 150 games or more twice in his career and 140 games or more four out of eleven full years, it stands to reason that resting the big guy is a good idea and might increase his output when he does play. In 2002 he did about the same pre and post-all star. In 2003, he did better after the break. In 2004 and 2005, he did substantially worse after the break. At the end of the 2005 season, he seemed to tire a bit and slow down. Whether or not I'm making that up is up for discussion and I have no concrete proof, but his post-all star drop off seems to back that up. There were times last year when it appeared that Cliff needed a rest, but the Mets could ill afford to have him miss a day in the lineup.

As for Diaz and Nady, Diaz's numbers last year sit a bit below what I would expect from him. He will never walk much, but I figure on him being able to hit about 25 homers and hit .270/.275 over the course of the year and provide some solid mid to bottom of the order pop. In regards to Nady, his versatility will let him log at bats in centerfield, first base, and right field when Diaz needs a day off. He will get his at bats, but Diaz who has never been a part time player, seems to benefit from regular play and stands to do better when plugged in every day.

While I might have successfully wasted everyone's time, including my own, I still think there are merits to Victor Diaz playing everyday in rightfield with a platoon situation in leftfield similar to what we saw with the aging Mike Piazza and Ramon Castro last year in which the Mets were able to get solid output from the catching position. Cliff's health is reminiscent of Piazza's and I'm not sure he would mind getting a more regular rest. All of this is definitely predicated on Damien's assumption and my agreeance with that assumption that Cliff Floyd is more likely to put up his second half numbers rather than his first half numbers and will not log 150 games next year. For the most part, this shucks a lot of conventional wisdom as he is coming off a big year for him, but he is a year older and this type of situation might actually be better for him overall.

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  • The ones that got away. You have to like the angle of drafting top guys late and throwing a million or so at them to try and make your draft stronger when you missed out on some early round picks. Brad Meyers finished his first season solid enough to get listed as the sixth best sophomore in college by Baseball America after getting drafted by the Mets out of high school.

    1 David Price, lhp, Vanderbilt Dodgers '04 (19)
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    5 J.P. Arencibia, c, Tennessee Mariners ’04 (17)
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    In the one that got away part II, another ex-Met draftee cracks their respective top ten list.
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    8 Josh Lindblom, rhp, Tennessee Astros ’05 (3)
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  • Ronald McDonald = fun and tasty cheeseburgers. The Burger King = scary as shit.

  • Not only does Alex Belth look 12, but he is not a fan of Omar's moves this off season.

    4. Dodgers trade for right-hander Jae Seo
    You didn't have to be an irate Mets fan to know that the organization's decision to start Victor Zambrano (7-12, 4.17 ERA) and Kaz Ishii (3-9, 5.14) ahead of Seo (8-2, 2.59) for much of the season cost the team any chance of making the playoffs. In exchange for Seo and lefty Tim Hamulack, the Dodgers gave up a couple of decent relievers -- Duaner Sanchez and Steve Schmoll. Jon Weisman, author of Dodger Thoughts, agrees that L.A. got the better end of the deal. "Seo blew me away in August after he replaced Ishii in the Mets' rotation," he says. "I realize that some of that may have been luck, because he wasn't striking a lot of batters out, and he regressed a bit toward the end of the season." Though Weisman likes Sanchez's surging strikeout rate (7.79 per 9.0 innings) as well as his durability, he concludes, "Relievers are easier to come by, and I like the chances for Seo to add stability to the Dodger rotation and help the team more than Sanchez would have."


    We all agree that good starters are harder to come by than good relievers. Especially affordable starters. At the end of the year, Omar could look like a genius or completely stupid in regards to the move. Of course they could both shit the bed and it could be moot point.

    4. Mets trade outfielder Mike Cameron to the Padres for outfielder Xavier Nady
    I don't like this one at all from New York's perspective. Saving money played a part in their thinking, but the Mets gave up a plus outfielder for a platoon player. Cameron is going to be a godsend for the Padres defensively, and although he doesn't hit for average, he's got some pop and is more than competent with the bat. By all counts he's also a mensch, as well as a consummate pro in the clubhouse, exactly the kind of cherry-on-the-top guy that winning teams often feature.


    Really nothing more to talk about in regards to this one.

  • Richard Deitsch is not Victor Zambrano's biggest fan.

    The pitcher's 2005 totals bring to mind a famous line by Catch-22 author Joseph Heller: "Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them." Zambrano, 30, was given a raise of $900,000 after going 7-12 with a 4.17 ERA in 27 starts and four relief appearances. For bad measure, Zambrano was among the National League leaders in walks (he had the ninth-highest total) and hit batsmen (he ranked third). Opponents hit a robust .264 against him.

    The enigma that is Victor Zambrano continues.

  • Omar sees Iriki as a spot starter and reliever, which is the role Victor Zambrano probably should have assumed this season.

    "Iriki will give us versatility by being able to start or pitch out of the bullpen," Minaya said in a statement.

    That sounds vaguely familiar.

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    You simply have to love it. Hopefully Iriki is able to be a consistent contributor to this team and not follow in the same footsteps as Koo and waste a roster spot. According to the Journal News, he has better stuff at the very least.

    The 33-year-old Iriki throws the standard stuff — a 92-mph fastball, curve, changeup and slider — plus something he calls a "shuto," a pitch Minaya said has movement, which makes it a strikeout pitch. He struck out 122 in 150 2/3 innings.

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  • According to the TC Palm, Pedro is pitching for the Dominican Republic in the World Baseball Classic. I've been out of the loop and I didn't hear about this.

    And in case you missed it, Mike Piazza will be playing for the Italian team.

    Catcher Mike Piazza headlines the Italian roster, which also lists Toronto outfielder Frank Catalanotto, Texas outfielder David Dellucci, Texas shortstop Mark DeRosa, Detroit pitchers Jason Grilli and Matt Mantei, Oakland second baseman Marco Scutaro and Villone.

    Time to start developing your own players. It just devalues the entire thing when guys born in the US are playing for another country. I understand why. It is to make it more competitive, but no one seemed to care about the US getting mauled in soccer for a longest time and did not seem to mind to laugh about it.

  • Bronson Arroyo is set to do something that is rare in these days. He is giving a hometown discount to stay with a team that he likes. Amazing.

    "We continue to move closer toward a discounted deal that Bronson is providing to the Boston Red Sox because he wants to do anything he can do to remain a Red Sox for not only these three years but the remainder of his career," Clifton said last night. "He's saying, 'I know this is a discounted deal, but I want to remain here. How do I get a chance to do this forever?'

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