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Wednesday, May 16, 2007

Let's All Point and Laugh

If Beltran signs with the Mets, he will have revealed himself to be a fraud.

The Mets are about nothing.

The Mets are a bad team with a stupid front office. Despite throwing millions at a few high-profile free agents in recent years, they aren't close to being competitive.

They're promising they'll do things right under new general manager Omar Minaya. But even if Minaya is allowed the autonomy his predecessors never had, the Mets are years away from being competitive.

Quick...who was the douchebag who said that? If you said Richard Justice back in '05, you would be correct. Predictably the Mets were within' one game of the World Series a season later just for good measure. Anyone care to wager which team will have a better record and who will have more playoff appearances over the next decade between the Mets and the Astros?

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  • Milledge swore on his album and used derogatory terms? Big fucking whoop. I'd be more concerned about this guy wearing two watches at one time. I'm starting to think Milledge is not going to get a fair shake in this town and I've never heard as many non-stories about anyone in my life.

  • I think the Mets are leading the league in steroid suspensions.

  • Some of Joe Morgan's answers in his chat:

    I'm sure he'll get hot, because he is a good player.


    Fielder has unlimited potential, but it's about how hard he works and if he does continue to learn and progress, he could be one of the elite power hitters. But that's not easy, since so many others don't. I think he's a special player and he probably will.

    Double hmmm....

    I'm disappointed in the Reds, because they got off to a good start and I thought their confidence would be high. But things haven't gone well the last two weeks, so they'll need to straighten it out.

    Straighten it out? Brilliant! You gotta respect the in depth analysis.

    It's tough for me to answer that question from afar, because I don't see how they go about their business on a day-to-day basis. There are incidents on EVERY team where players get upset about incidents that happen on the field. They didn't fire the guy in Toronto, so I don't think that's a reason to fire him.

    His stock answer for no comment is 'I don't see them everyday so I cannot comment ab0ut that'. It seems he says that about EVERY team so what exactly is his job?

    Brian(NY): Joe here's a tough one for ya...if you we're to start a franchise from scratch for the next 5 years who would you're infield team be , mine would be Pujols,Kinsler,Reyes and Wright.

    SportsNation Joe Morgan: I can't argue with that. I'm not sure I'd put Kinsler ahead of Cano. He's hitting home runs, but is he a better hitter than Cano, who hit .340 last year. I wouldn't argue with that infield other than 2B, but I'd have to think more about it.

    And Cobb hit .340 in 1923. What's your point? Not many experts would choose Cano if they had a choice of any second baseman in the league. Of course second base is not exactly the strongest position in the league, but Robinson Cano is not on top of that list.

    Dave (Richmond VA): Hey Joe! How good do you think that Phil Hughes can be this year? Is he a legit number 2 or 3?

    SportsNation Joe Morgan: I don't know how good he can be, since he hasn't pitched enough games.

    Speechless. Joe....here is a hint. He's asking you to make an educated guess based on his existing track record and all the baseball you have managed to take in over the years.

    I am addicted to reading his chats. I really am.

  • Dave Pinto has some interesting thoughts on rearranging the divisions.

  • Some highlights from Jonah Keri's chat:

    Sherman (New York): All of you "revolutionists" are ruining the game of baseball! Your "stats" are a joke and they DO NOT truly measure a player's ability to win ball games. Do us all a favor and leave our game alone!

    SportsNation Jonah Keri: Really cool of Buster Olney to drop by today.

    First...ziiiing!!! Second....from New York eh? I guess you are part of the camp that thinks Jeter is a really great fielder as well.

    Mike(Charlotte): Derek Jeter is a gold glove shortstop at this stage of his career!!!

    SportsNation Jonah Keri: Just because the BBWAA say he's a great fielder doesn't make it so. There's a whole chapter devoted to Jeter's defense, and defense in general, in Baseball Between the Numbers.

    Just because a fielder rarely makes obvious mistakes doesn't mean he's great. Jeter's range has never been all that good, especially to his left. He compensates in other ways with positioning and general intelligence. But he's nowhere near someone like Adam Everett when it comes to defense.

    Jeter's bat still makes him a fantastic player, though.

    Then is just went on and on and on and on with people trying to defend Jeter's fielder ability and his overall clutchiness and intangibleness. Get over it already. Then Jonah really endeared himself to Mets fans.

    Scott (NJ): Best SS in NYC right now is...?

    SportsNation Jonah Keri: Jose Reyes. Best in baseball.

    As if that wasn't enough...

    Seth (New York, NY): Does Pedro come back for real in August? Does Omar Minaya make a trade for another pitcher?

    SportsNation Jonah Keri: How about neither? Ollie Perez has been fantastic this season. Glavine looks ageless. I don't think John Maine will maintain a 2.15 ERA all year, but he's still a solid pitcher too. It's conceivable that the Mets could go to the playoffs with those 3 guys are their top 3 starters, then pound other teams into submission with Wright, Reyes, Beltran, Delgado et al.

    Pedro's a great wild card. But the Mets are really, really good. They could win without him.

    Preach on brother Jonah.

  • The Yankees were 8.5 games out coming into the 2nd game of their double header and Boston looks like the best team in the bigs by a quite a bit. The Red Sox, Tigers, Indians, Angels, White Sox, Mariners, Athletics, and Twins all have a better record than the Yankees. They really look like they are in trouble. The team just has not looked like the Yankees of yesteryear and many of their key players have simply looked underwhelming.

  • Jorge Sosa looks like a stud. I repeat. A stud.
  • Labels:


    Anonymous benny blanco from da bronx said...

    Richard Justice is a douchebag. I remember exchanging many emails about this, in fact lemme go back to see what he said... damnit, it doesn't show what it was that I sent to him and to be honost I don't remember what I came barking at him about but whatever the hell it was I told him, he responded with this:

    Point well taken. I hope the Wilpons allow Omar and Sandy to do their jobs.
    They're both outstanding. If you do get Beltran, you're going to love him. He does things that don't show up in the stats.

    I love how Milledge being feautred in an album HE produces is a big deal. I gaurantee we all curse and say fucked up shit for much longer than the 3 minutes that song is, everyday. People on Metsblog being all high and mighty and self-righteous saying stupid shit like "Oh this is a problem"
    "Clubhouse cancer" and just really stupid shit like that and comparing it with some of the criminals in the NFL. I say we wait until he does something criminal before we write him off as some bad guy. He hasn't raped anyone, he hasn't murdered anyway, he hasn't been involved in a dog fighting championship tournament. Leave him alone. Why isn't he allowed to have a hobby? Something he can do JUST IN CASE baseball doesn't work out for him? Just in case he fails. Parents always tell thier children when they go after some wacky career to always have a backup plan.

    Aww Mike, you forgot about the one where he says he doesn't consider Dice-K a rookie, he "doesn't buy it". But then names Dice-K as the best rookie in MLB in his next sentence, that was my favorite. The guy is a joke. He doesn't answer any questions. He'd be a good politician.

    THE BBWAA are dumbasses, I learned something new yesterday when some piece of shit, Juan Pierre clone named Maury Wills beat out Willie Mays, Frank Robinson, Hank Aaron, and other very deserving players for the NL MVP. Maury Wills hit .299 with 6 HR's and 104 SB's good for a .720 OPS. Mays, Robinson, and Aaron, each had .999, 1.045, and a 1.008 OPS respectively, enough said. Fuck the BBWAA, some of them have been retired for about 20 years and don't go to games anymore.

    And the people in that Jonah Keri chat can't be serious.
    And everyone has to get the Fielding Bible, I can't say it enough, its one of my favorite books.

    I would absolutely LOVE a 2004-esque sweep of the Yankees. Some of them at this point would probably help out society by jumping off buildings.

    7:05 AM

    Blogger mr. met said...

    Of course I left out where he recanted a little bit later after the bitterness subsided, but who’s paying attention.

    He does things that don't show up in the stats.

    Really? Does he really? Like what? I love how he just throws out the stock answers like that. Beltran is a stats guy. He’s generally not bunting or moving people over. He steals, wins gold gloves, and pounds pitchers. All things that can be tracked.

    I love it…how is Milledge on a rap album a problem. Guess what? He likes rap. Guess what? A lot of other players do to. He’s allowed to have outside interests and I have no issues with him doing it regardless of his lyrics. To say this is a problem is being ridiculous.

    RE: the Joe Morgan Dice-K statement…I was going to put that, but I sort of got him. He said he doesn’t think Dice-K should be a rookie, but in the context of the league he is so he’ll roll with him. But overall, his hysterical.

    Carl B. (Georgia): Hey Joe, I love your chats. I was wondering if the Braves have a good shot a winning the NL East.

    Joe Morgan: Yes Carl they do. But the key is winning more games than anyone else in the division. If they do that, they’ll win the East.

    I would absolutely LOVE a 2004-esque sweep of the Yankees

    I actually triple booked plans for this Sunday and ended up giving my ticket up…for face value of course because I couldn’t get my friend to skip out on the game as well…but I have to tell you I don’t care. Yankee fans annoy me and this year, they are as whiny as ever. Saying they’ll be there in October and what have the Mets won, blah, blah, blah. They are getting really defensive about their teams it’s ridiculous. But the fact is, they have an old team and they are bound to fall off the edge. Is it this year? Maybe, maybe not. But it’s clear the Yankees have trouble. They don’t even look as dominating offensively these days even with big numbers from Jeter, A-Rod and Posada so far. But instead of expressing concern for their team, they are fixated on the Mets still sucking in their estimation when it’s clear the Mets are the better team at this point.

    9:09 AM

    Anonymous Anonymous said...


    1. Your analysis of the new Milledge-gate is spot on. Its just media fodder and will blow over. The only thing is gomez is looking like wunder-kind supreme. HOW could you send HIM down. He played left better than RF. Right now he is the 5th OFer at least with Endy getting late game AB/defense. Odd man out maybe Dave Newhan. And to think I was skeptical when scounts and GMs had him above Milledge in talent. Personally, I see some Corey Patterson in Milledge and as such a new organization with a CF opening is in his (near) future. The only thing is we dont have a need.

    2. Sosa: For pennies we got the best FA pitcher from the past offseason. His health is not an issue, so he's ahead of El Duque, But right now we have the best 1-5 rotation (with El Duque) anywhere. Reading the post game comments was remarkable. He IS a lesson to Pelfrey, Ollie or any young pitcher on how to set up your FB.

    10:37 AM

    Blogger mr. met said...

    see some Corey Patterson in Milledge

    Well, that could certainly be spot on. Corey showed more power, but was about the same age when he broke in. Both were hot prospects but Patterson was ultimately killed by plate discipline. I still have faith in Milledge turning into an excellent baseball player, but Gomez looks light years better than Milledge in the field (and Milledge is pretty good) and looks comfy at the plate. I really think he looks good out there, but I doubt they keep him up if he’s not going to start. At least they’ll have comfort in knowing they are pretty well covered or if someone is desperate and asks for Shawn Green.

    The Mets have the best starting five statistically, but I will wait to dub them the best out of everyone until July. That body of work should be big enough to keep the naysayers to a minimum. But as of now, you have to be really, really, really happy with the way everyone is pitching. The biggest concern I have though is Maine’s penchant for getting a little wild sometimes.

    11:19 AM

    Blogger AE said...

    benny wasn't the only one who wrote richard justice and called him out on it:


    Your article in the Houston Chronicle, titled "This is about money, and more will be elsewhere" is a terrible piece of journalism. What is with the incessant need to rip the New York Mets organization? Are you really that upset about the possibility of the Astros losing Beltran to the Mets that you need to make vicious stabs at the Mets?

    You obviously don't know the Mets or baseball very well to say "the Mets are years away from being competitive." The N.L. East isn't as competitive as the N.L. Central. The Mets with the addition of 2 big bats (say Beltran and a player like Delgado) and a few bench players, have as good a shot as anyone to win the N.L. East. And as for your comments regarding their finances ("One executive studied the franchise's debt, revenues and current payroll and said: "No way the Mets are in this. If they are, they're going to be in serious red ink."), they are way off. The Mets's franchise value is greater then any team not named the NY Yankees. With the addition of their own cable channel in 2006, the franchise value will be even greater. So whoever this "One executive" is, he can't be that astute when he "studied" the teams finances.

    In closing, you're right, it's always about money. However, to get to your point by ripping the Mets is ridiculous. As a fan of journalism that is fair and just, I think your article sucks.

    - AE

    his response dated 1/7/05:

    Thanks for taking the time to write. I hope things are different
    under Omar. He and Sandy Johnson are great guys.

    3:07 PM

    Anonymous sidd finch said...

    I'm very excited about Sosa and the pitching, and I'm a pitching guy, above all else - for proof, check out the Dalai Lamas.

    I think that Milledge HAS cleaned up his act quite a bit. This is just a bit of unfortunate timing - he's not playing, Gomez has jumped ahead of him on the depth chart, the Imus stupidity - he probably should have held off on posting or releasing this until he had some success. There's nothing wrong with pursuing a hobby, the pub came at a bad time for Lastings. If Milledge had been with the club when the shaved heads happened, we could call it Milledge-dome instead of Milledge-gate.

    The Yankers have spent a lot of money on Free Agents in the past few years, but the Beltran signing is light years ahead of anything they have done. Omar is a frigging genius.

    Mike, when are you going to admit that the columnist from Atlanta was right, that the Braves are going to be in this thing for the duration? Other than that, keep up the good work.

    3:29 PM

    Anonymous benyn blanco from da bronx said...

    I love the Mets. I love Carlos Beltran. I love Endy Chavez. I Love David Wright. I Love Carlos Delgado.

    3:43 PM

    Anonymous Anonymous said...


    God DAMN!! 3 out of 4!!


    - Nokes

    3:43 PM

    Blogger mr. met said...


    Did you post that before? Classic stuff.

    However, I bet you want this line back:

    The N.L. East isn't as competitive as the N.L. Central.


    Kudos on the success of your fantasy baseball team even though it’s fleeting. My team is struggling right now, but mark my words, we’ll right the ship.

    RE: the Atlanta journalist…I don’t think I’ve particularly disagreed with him in regards to Braves long term ability to stay in the race. In fact, when I was ripping Willie while he was ‘testing’ people, I said he needs to play to win NOW because it looks like Atlanta is going to be in this until the end. I’d have to look, but I believe I mentioned quite a few times that they are in fact for real. What I did and still do contest him on is his particular assessment of the Mets. I think you should email him and ask him if he still feels the same way about our pitching.

    What a craptastic win… Five runs in the ninth! I love it. Green batting third? Mets win while resting Wright, Reyes, and Beltran? Vargas going seven and Burgos rounding it out? This win should count for two. The bullpen is rested for the weekend and the studs take the day off. Wow…just wow.

    3:51 PM

    Blogger mr. met said...

    Benny...don't you love Matt Chico too? Mets 1.5 games up, best record in the NL and 2nd best the Bigs!

    3:52 PM

    Blogger AE said...


    yeah, i posted that before...i still get a chuckle out of it everytime time richard justice and his stupidity is mentioned.

    as for competitiveness in the divisions: i never thought that the cardinals would tank this much. they were 100 game winners a few years ago. edmonds and rolen got very old very quickly.

    i thought the astros would be solid with ace oswalt and lance berkman lighting it up.

    as for the cubs, prior and wood should be the 1-2 punch. we all know how that turned out.

    ollie perez and jason bay should have been leading a resurgence in pittsburgh.

    that's not even counting the reds and the sheets led brewers...

    whatever, a few good trades, a few good signings, and solid contributions from the farm system can make a world of difference...

    4:34 PM

    Anonymous DG said...

    5, read FIVE!!!, yes 0-5, runs in the bottom of the 9th is fucking swellicious. A game and a half in front of the Braves. Nice Thursday. VERY nice Thursday!

    4:35 PM

    Anonymous Terry from the Laundromat said...

    Dear Metropolitans,

    Lastings Milledge said a bad word, two bad words; he is like Don Imus, that bad man (well, HE really is pretty much a bad man). He should be fired or made to appear on a talk show with Al Sharpton. Why can't he just love like everyone else in the world?

    4:38 PM

    Blogger mr. met said...

    Yes, I agree...for the sake of the standards set when Imus was ridiculously fired, Milledge should go on Sharpton's show for using derogatory terms and insulting massive amounts of people beyond repair.

    We live in a world of spineless weenies.

    AE...I see your point and I'm not saying I particularly disagree. At the time it sure looked that way, but in retrospect...

    DG, let's not forget about the Yankees on their way to dropping another game!

    4:45 PM

    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Actually, he should write a new song in which he apologises to his Mother for the disrepectful way he has treated women..

    5:51 PM

    Anonymous sidd finch said...

    Mike, you are probably right about the Atlanta writer, and him dissing the Mets pitching. He was not alone, however. It's fun to see the ESPN guys backpedalling their assessments of the Mets pitching staff. I think it'd be fun to email that columnist and see what he says, I'll let you know if he responds.

    A perfect day yesterday - went to see the Sox - sat in sec 35, in the triangle, 2 Sox wins, a Mets win and a Yankers loss. What could be better?

    9:39 AM


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