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Thursday, July 27, 2006

The Legend of Zorro

"The dude's been clutch," said Cliff Floyd, who had grounded out as a pinch-hitter with two runners aboard for the final out of the ninth. "Valentin, he's been as important as anyone here all season."

At no point this year could even the person with the most fantastical imagination in the world have predicted Jose Valentin's success this year. Valentin looked horrendous during spring training with a .143 batting average and only one extra base hit and three RBIs in seventeen at-bats. The Mets can say all they want they had faith in him and believed in him, but it looks more like a case of dumb luck.

If you look at his spring training numbers and his at-bats through May 12th, which is just before his breakout Milwaukee series, he was horrible. He was hitting .155 and slugging .172. If you back up into his 2005 season with LA, he was batting .166 and slugging .239 in 205 at-bats when you include this spring and the beginning of the Mets season.

And yet, the Mets stuck with him. The rewards have been huge with a .303 batting average as a starter and a .576 slg%. He is on pace for 19 homers, 26 doubles, and 71 RBIs in 388 at-bats this year and has showed no signs of slowing down. Jose Valentin has become one of the greater mysteries of the world and has made Omar and Willie's blind faith in him look like a stroke of genius, but who cares? Valentin has been just huge for this team.

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  • The Barry Zito rumors persist and the rumors that the asking price is exorbitant persist as well.

    To this point, the price for the 28-year-old lefthander has been too steep, with Athletics general manager Billy Beane demanding Lastings Milledge, Aaron Heilman and perhaps even a third prospect - possibly Brian Bannister or John Maine - in return.

    Of course, there are conflicting reports that say Zito is not on the market.

    Mike Vaccaro is pulling a Jon Heyman and saying Omar should go for Willis or Zito and deal Milledge and Heilman for either one.

  • Of course it is easy to jump on the John Maine bandwagon and be knee jerk and say he is answer, but it has only been two spectacular starts and few decent ones prior to this. However, it is not as if John Maine came out of nowhere. He was a highly regarded prospects with the Orioles and exhibited some control issues which buried him when he came up. He has all the tools including a big league fastball.

    Said one observer: "[Maine] has a lot of last-second life on his fastball, same as Zito. His 91 or 92 [mph] looks a lot harder than that to a batter. It creates the illusion of accelerating just as it gets to the plate, which is pretty rare."

    He certainly helps to temper everyone’s fears in regards to the rotation and Mr. Billy Wagner thinks Maine and Pelfrey might be the answer if no starter is acquired.

    "Unless we get some great deal that's a steal for us, I'm thinking we just hand the ball to those two guys and say, 'go to work.' "

  • Brian Bannister made a rehab start for St. Lucie last night.

    Brian Bannister, who has been out since late April with a hamstring injury, started a rehab assignment with Class A St. Lucie last night. The rookie right-hander threw 83 pitches over five innings and gave up four runs, six hits and four walks.

  • Heath Bell is on his way back to Norfolk.

  • The Soriano rumors are still hot and the Tigers are reportedly willing to deal Humberto Sanchez in a trade for Alfonso.

    "We know the price that we need to have from clubs," Bowden told the Times. "The price doesn't change. The price today is the same price it's going to be at the deadline. We don't have to trade anybody."

    Bowden back to his old ways. If Soriano can bring you a A/B+ prospect and B prospect do it. You will not get two A/B+ prospects from anyone for a rental. Beltran netted Baird Mark Teahan, Mike Wood, and John Buck. Of course Baird made a horrible deal and refused to take the best prospects and was targeting specific positions, but you get the idea.
  • 30 Comments:

    Blogger Toasty Joe said...

    If it's Heilman and a prospect for Zito, I do that trade yesterday. In fact, I'd throw in Heilman's bus fare to Oakland. Let him ride the bus for botching that play the other day.

    12:46 PM

     
    Blogger michael o. said...

    He did get into games on an everday bases in '04 and '05. Yes he was injured in '05, but he has not been this good EVER! Having your best season at like 36 is not the norm. Wacky shit.

    Beane says it is low, the NYC papers are saying high. Who is right? This stuff is practically impossible to predict and get solid info until the trade is actually in the works. A good team like the A's does not leak too much info. The Mets on the otherhand have deep throats all over the damn place. Amazing why information comes out. I know sometimes teams leak stuff on purpose, but with the Mets, it seems most high level stuff is leaked.

    I am impressed with Maine a lot to. He has a legit fastball and has been pitching for while. He's not newbie to pro ball.

    I heard that about Landis. hGH for Landis I guess, but the media did spread that about Armstrong, but this looks like concrete proof. The view of America as cheaters throughout the world should be high after this one. Hopefully he is innocent and hopefully he didn't do anything.

    Toasty, so down on Aaron!

    1:03 PM

     
    Blogger Kenny said...

    What's wrong with a little extra testosterone. Maybe the guy blew some dudes in France, no?

    Anyway, I'm kind of hoping the Mets don't make any trades. They always seem to pull off retarded moves around this time of the year. I don't have enough faith in them to actually pull off a solid move. I'd love Zito or Willis, but I don't want any of the Livan Hernendez's of the world.

    1:33 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Kenny - bear in mind that last year, Omar made the best move of all at trade deadline with making NO deal. I am also of the camp that I don't have faith in them making the "best move," as I think the asking price for Livan (and other scrubs) is way too high. But I have faith that Omar won't jump the gun simply b/c the media is telling him to.

    1:39 PM

     
    Blogger michael o. said...

    Kenny, very insightful on the testosterone thing. Really, thanks for adding something to the discussion.

    I agree Kenny, people are always looking to rip the Mets off. If Omar takes the attitude fair deal or no deal, then great. I think they are still fearing a backlash like the Kazmir deal when everything is going great this season. Ultimately, that deal will protect us for a while for seeing such a silly trade go down again. I doubt he will trade Milledge for a rental or Milledge and Heilman for anyone. Put that in you pipe and smoke it.....

    1:42 PM

     
    Blogger Toasty Joe said...

    I am down on him. He's just had this poopy-pants face on the whole year, and the other day was the last straw. If we have a chance to get Zito for him and a non-Milledge prospect, jeez, there's not a radar gun on earth that would be able to calculate how fast I'd sign up.

    1:46 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Just gonna have to wait till Monday to get something done.
    Waiting sucks.
    Did you know that waiting is the meaning of life? All you do in life is wait.

    Paladin, Who's Floyd Landis? It sounds like either NASCAR and I don't care for it. In fact it sounds like a good thing to me to get people to hop off baseball's dick.

    - benny

    2:10 PM

     
    Blogger Kenny said...

    In regards to my earlier observation about Landis...
    As Jerry and George would say, "Not that there's anything wrong with that."

    Back to the Mets...
    I'm just very gunshy. I have this mental image of GMs sitting in their offices that goes something like this:

    secretary - I've got the Yankees on the phone.
    GM - Tell him I'm busy.
    secretary - I've got the Nationals on the phone.
    GM - Tell him I'm washing my hair.
    secretary - Mets on line #2.
    GM - Nice, put them through.

    2:11 PM

     
    Blogger michael o. said...

    Benny, stop getting all deep on us. It has no place here.

    Floyd Landis won the Tour de France, but he has a bit too much testosterone apparently.

    Good stuff Kenny....but I don't think you can get testerone in the manner you speak of, though I'm no doctor.

    They also think the Mets are desperate, which they may or may not be. We really won't know if Maine or Pelfrey or worth anything for about another month.

    2:22 PM

     
    Blogger Toasty Joe said...

    Omar is on with Francesa right now. In a nutshell:

    No starting pitcher "studs" are currently available...

    ....But things can change quickly....

    ....the organization is as impressed with Milledge now as they've ever been.

    Discuss.

    3:53 PM

     
    Blogger ossy said...

    kenny got a chuckle out of me with that comment about blowing dudes in france.

    im so tired of this trade deadline shit already. the rumors get tiresome. when u start seeing wilson betemit on the back of the post, there is a fucking problem. i doubt beane trades zito when he can win the division.

    i think these writers are just feeding bs to the hungry mets fans to make up for the years where we had no playoff ferver and to pressure omar into making a kazmir-ish trade that will give them something to write about for the next 5 years

    4:21 PM

     
    Blogger ossy said...

    to say that valentin hasnt produced like this is a bit out of line.

    his seasonal avg per 162 games on espn says that he gives 25hr and 80 rbi

    his avg and slugging % are up though which is a bit weird. he didnt do much with LA cus he was hurt but he's had a solid mlb career

    4:27 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    on wfan they asked omar about him liking athleticism. he just said something along the lines of "...and there's more on the way" -- i guess he means fmart, pena, etc. and i can't wait. dude is solid. next decade or so should be strong.

    4:30 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Toasty - Omar is saying "something" without saying "anything" at all. That's nothing new - we all know there are not studs on the market (unless you count Zito, who is technically not *really* on the market, but ya know, that's one of those things that can "change" as Omar points out)

    Point blank - honestly guys, we know that Heilman for Zito is a nobrainer - trouble is, Omar would have pulled the trigger YESTERDAY if that's the case. It's not, so what gets the deal done?

    And in other news, Yankees "break the bank" by signing Scrub Sal Fasano, of Sal's Pals fame.

    4:33 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Toasty - Omar is saying "something" without saying "anything" at all. That's nothing new - we all know there are not studs on the market (unless you count Zito, who is technically not *really* on the market, but ya know, that's one of those things that can "change" as Omar points out)

    Point blank - honestly guys, we know that Heilman for Zito is a nobrainer - trouble is, Omar would have pulled the trigger YESTERDAY if that's the case. It's not, so what gets the deal done?

    And in other news, Yankees "break the bank" by signing Scrub Sal Fasano, of Sal's Pals fame.

    4:34 PM

     
    Blogger ossy said...

    how does lance berkman have 90+ rbi? the team has is second last in scoring with 455. at that clip beltran would have 108 for the mets at this point. thats crazy

    4:37 PM

     
    Blogger michael o. said...

    Ossy, Valentin hit homers, but this is his best year. I'm sorry, but his all-around numbers are better than ever.

    Omar is not allowed to name names and would never tip his hand to those two bums. Mum is the word and quotes by him are useless.

    Fasano! In the Bronx! I guess the legend lives on.

    Berkman is a stud that's why. I bow to him.

    4:57 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    SORRY PALADIN, excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me for not following a bunch of guys on thier bicycles in France.
    I should be up on my cycling.
    I can't be like you and log on to www.letour.fr every morning.

    Now, I'll go on and make you happy and read up on it on wikipedia.org

    5:13 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Hmmmmm....

    The Dodgers are in free fall and Penny has gotten into fights with his manager and teammates.

    What would take it to get him?

    5:24 PM

     
    Blogger ossy said...

    i wonder how some teams maintain this small market status. boston is smaller than milwaukee and they fill the place up. i know that cost of living plays a role in this kinda thing but thats crazy

    5:31 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Le Tour de France (Tour of France), often referred to as La Grande Boucle,

    The Tour de France inspired Freddie Mercury, the lead singer of Queen, to write the song "Bicycle Race" in 1978.

    The tallest rider was Johan Van Summeren 6 ft 5.5 in.

    The shortest was Samuel Dumoulin at 5 ft 2 in

    The heaviest rider was Magnus Backstedt at 209 lb.

    The lightest was Leonardo Piepoli at 126 lb.

    Thanks wikipedia, I can now compete with Paladin as Tour de France champion!

    Besides the fact I woke up at 2,
    I havn't seen any tv today, I been playing video games all day.
    MVP Baseball and Hitman are much more important than the world around you or me, so fuck you!

    5:53 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    i have such a hard on for first pitch strikes

    6:05 PM

     
    Blogger Toasty Joe said...

    Why can't weeeee be friends, why can't weeeee be friends....

    6:37 PM

     
    Blogger Anthony said...

    Wow...Paladin...take it easy. You already got kicked off of one site. Sounds like you have a bit of an anger problem amongst your fellow Mets brothers. We usually talk Mets baseball here with some dumb fun stuff on the side. But you're bringing some serious heaviness to the table that is a bit much (ie: you are officially worthless). I must speak up for Benny who has been a solid contributor to the Metropolitans for a long time, don't mess with Benny! Not cool. Benny's the man. Most people here are extremely knowledgable Mets fans who get along. No need for rants of personal attacks. I can also agree with Benny on this one, I could give two fucking shits about cycling as well.

    7:13 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    So I get to contribute portions of my salary towards your unemployment and/or welfare while you sit on your fat ass all day and play video games...

    And the winner is?... PALADIN!
    Fucking solid.
    But hey man I'm just enjoying my day off alright!
    But don't get too comfy I will need your help to collect unemployment in a few months. Thanks for the support.

    And ANthony, :tear: I feel soo loved!

    7:46 PM

     
    Blogger michael o. said...

    I think we have a new trend in blogging comments.....

    Rip into someone and leave a ;)

    Let me try....

    Fuck everyone! ;)

    All better....serenity now....serenity now.

    Brooklyn bum...maybe we can send LoDuca back for Penny? Seriously, I would love Penny if that could happen and really, I do not see why not they could not mount a package for him, but I don't think they are conceding the season just yet. Who konws, that franchise has kind of been a mess of late.

    8:41 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    cant trade loduca. he almost kicked arods ass. that makes him a met fan fav!

    what site did paladin get booted off?

    benny is kinda worthless though. he says some dumb stuff sometimes.

    who the hell is paladin to rip the moochers of the world? fuck outta here biatch!

    9:02 PM

     
    Blogger Anthony said...

    I agree! As usual, Mike gets it right, everybody needs to fuck off! Paladin, I would expect nothing less from you. Go fuck yourself you fuckin prick. But you are a Met fan, so at least you got that going for you. Oh, and we all get it...you're very passionate.

    9:55 PM

     
    Blogger michael o. said...

    I don't really want to trade LoDuca...it would be ironic that we get both major ingredients (sp?) back from that trade. That's all.

    benny is kinda worthless though. he says some dumb stuff sometimes.

    Enough of that. Benny is the OG...He's been around since the dawn of my shitty site.

    Paladin, this country was built off mooching amongst other things mentioned here.

    All right, now that everyone has gotten that out of their system....Might I suggest brazilian volleyball players to calm everyone down?

    10:06 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Keep up the good work. thnx!
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    3:36 PM

     

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