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Tuesday, April 22, 2008

Do The Right Thing

I like Angel Pagan a lot, but the just thinking about the return of Moises Alout makes me happy from an offensive standpoint. I do understand the step back in defense the Mets will be taking, but as good as Pagan has been, Alou is a just a beast.

Over the last four seasons, he has dropped an OPS+ of 131, 138, 132, and 138. Sweet. As good as Angel Pagan is, Alou is miles ahead offensively. For me, Alou is more the passable enough in left with solid defense everywhere else with the exception of first, so it is hardly a concern.

The Mets are rolling right now and their starting pitching has been sparkling for the most part and the only real blemish with this team right now is Carlos Delgado and his 64 OPS+. That is horrific and Delgado really needs to be dropped. Enter in the real problem, which is Willie.

Mets manager Willie Randolph said it's premature to consider reacting to first baseman Carlos Delgado's slump.

For now, Delgado remains in the fifth spot in the Mets' lineup.

"It's too early for me," Randolph said. "A lot depends on how the team is doing."

If Willie insists on batting Castillo second and will continue to be stubborn with Delgado, there are not many options out there. Castillo, his 61 OPS+, and his inability to hit a ball out of the infield have no business being anywhere but 8th and Delgado is just a diminished player at this point, but we know how this story is going to play out....at least in the early chapters.

Reyes OPS+ 114
Castillo OPS+ 61
Wright OPS+ 207
Beltran OPS+ 100
Delgado OPS+ 64
Alou OPS+ kickass
Church OPS+ 127
Schneider OPS + 88

The weird thing is Willie did drop Delgado last year and had dropped Castillo this year. There were some moments of clarity, but he inevtiably goes back to his stubborn ways and thinks the players are still capable of their yesteryear production. If you come to grips with that, the most optimal lineup should be Reyes, Church, Wright, Beltran, Alou, Delagado, Schneider, and Castillo.

I do not buy into balancing the out the lineup and spreading out your big guns. Your best players should be at the top and the bad hitters should be at the bottom. For me, it is simple. For others, not so much. I truly hope Willie comes to grips that Castillo and Delgado are done and does the right thing. He should not wait for a complete disaster to take action, but make sensible decisions when they are the obvious and right thing to do.

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  • Frank Thomas is a big, big man.

  • Last night was a ugly game. Very ugly. However, I did enjoy watching Zambrano and Marmol. Zambrano striking out Wright with back to back filthy pitches in the first was fun to watch and watching Marmol strike out Anderson with a frisbee was fun as well.

    Other than that, ugly, ugly, ugly.

  • Wright is awesome.

    Know who had a hotter week than the Braves' Chipper Jones? OK, nobody had a hotter week. But in the interest of spreading things around a little, let's give some credit to the Mets' David Wright, who hit .522 in his team's six games, with a sick .633 on-base percentage and nine RBIs along the way. Wright was so good for the Mets -- who, by the way, went 5-1 -- that he overshadowed the re-emergence of shortstop Jose Reyes (.429, two homers, two RBIs, two stolen bases). Reyes scored seven runs in the six games, two more than he had in his first nine.

  • Tim Marchman talks Yankee baseball.
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    Blogger AE said...

    I hate to say it but it seems like Delgado is pretty much done as a productive 1st baseman. You can look here for some statistical ("graphical") evidence:


    I think he still has it in him to produce a month long hot streak...but after that the Mets are probably left with 5 months of .206/.313/.294. At 1st base, that's unacceptable - in fact it's below replacement player level. I'm honestly asking this question, Can Fernando Tatis play a solid enough first base??? OK, maybe not...

    12:12 PM

    Anonymous tc said...

    I don't think Willie is stupid enough to actually not bat Alou in the 5 slot ... then again Willie's stupidity often surprises me.

    Would he really put together a lineup such as:
    I don't really know. But he sure as hell should. There's your lefty/right balance, and there is a beastly 1-5. Castillo's OPS+ is dreadful.

    And Pagan should be the prototypical 4th outfielder, giving Beltran, Alou, and Church days off against shit teams like the Nats and the Pirates.

    Thomas is a massive beast.

    12:21 PM

    Blogger mr. met said...

    AE, graphical evidence is welcome. However, I don't need any graphs to tell me he blows.

    His bat speed is horrible, his swing looks horrible, it looks like he is done.

    I do agree he'll have a hot streak like any player does, but being a meat of the order guy? Please no. Rally killer to the Nth degree.

    I don't think Willie is stupid enough to actually not bat Alou in the 5 slot.

    Haha...joke of the day! Good one.

    Willie already said Delgado is his #5 and Castillo is back hitting 2nd! Unreal!!!

    12:34 PM

    Anonymous benny blanco from da bronx said...

    I don't think anyone is going to argue Pagan going back on the bench for Alou.

    I knew Marmol is nasty but jeeeezus, Marmol is naaaaaaaaaaaaasty!

    I saw the game archived on MLB.TV and it was a quick game up until the 8th, man, did I get turned off quickly.

    About the White Sox, I must say, they'r epitching has been very impressive. John Danks and Gavin Floyd are pitching the way everyone wanted them to pitch and the thing is, everything is pointing to them being able to keep it up. ANd they also have an overpriced pen which should help them. Thier infield defense is also pretty good with the exception of Konerko. Not bad for a team some even predicted to be in last place.

    12:40 PM

    Blogger Sidd Finch said...

    Who thought that Javier Vasquez still had anything left? Not me. I thought that team had stopped listening to Ozzie.

    I have thought that Ryan Church could play first, but Angel Pagan does not have a strong enough arm to play right regularly. Besides, Church plays right better than anyone but Endy.

    Who do the Mets replace Delgado with next year? I'm pretty sure the Yanks will go hard after Texiera, with Giambi coming off the books the end of the season.

    12:58 PM

    Anonymous whozgotnext said...

    What exactly does it mean that it's "too early" to move someone up or down in the lineup? That he might get hot next week? Great! Move him back up in the lineup next week. Today's lineup only affects today's game, and today, the guy you won't move down from the five slot is hitting like a blogger (no offense).

    "Too early" to go out and trade for a new first baseman? Sure. Because that implies a move that you can't reverse if Delgado turns it around. But "too early" to put a sensible lineup together on a game by game basis? That makes no sense whatsoever.

    And don't get me started on Castillo. Clearly, it's more valuable to the team to get Castillo a steady diet of fastballs than to get Church good pitches to hit, cuz, you know, Castillo just punishes those fastballs.

    Uhh, yeah. David Wright can hit a little bit.

    12:59 PM

    Anonymous benny said...

    I hate this idea that Castillo is "only valuable" in the 2nd hole because he can move the runners over.
    Making outs should not be part of any gameplan. Castillo has a good eye but that good eye can bat 8th. I like Church in the 2nd hole and this shoudln't even be a discussion.

    Delgado is brutal. I had faith he'd turn it around but he's brutal.

    1:24 PM

    Blogger mr. met said...

    Floyd has the MoJo in his curve back. ++ pitch. Nasty stuff and if he can control that, he is a good pitcher.

    I'm not saying I'm arguing against Alou returning or anyone will...perhaps it was a poorly chosen string of words I threw together. That was certainly not my intent.

    Vazquez is shocking me too. I think he is done every year!

    Sidd...Dan Murphy @ 1st in 2009?

    What exactly does it mean that it's "too early" to move someone up or down in the lineup? That he might get hot next week? Great! Move him back up in the lineup next week. Today's lineup only affects today's game, and today, the guy you won't move down from the five slot is hitting like a blogger (no offense).

    None taken. And you are right...if they got hot, move them up! But it seems like these old guys get offended. They have a hard time knowing when they suck.

    RE: your Castillo comment...I thought you were series for first part of that.

    1:33 PM

    Blogger AE said...

    PECOTA didn't think Vazquez was done - PECOTA pegged him for 210 IP, 13 wins, 181 K's, 3.91 era, and a 1.23 whip.

    right now he's on pace for 196 IP, 209 K's, 3.20 era, and a 1.14 whip. obviously the era and whip will go up a little bit over the season, but so far he isn't too far over his projection.

    so with that said, who wants to overpay me for vazquez' service in the metropolitans fantasy league? i am open to any and all offers...including jason marquis.

    1:49 PM

    Anonymous tc said...

    Castillo batting 2nd: Mets 2-8.
    Anyone else batting 2nd: Mets 8-0.

    Marmol's slider = silly.

    I'm a fan of giving Murph a shot. Random, but if they don't get Teixeira, then why couldn't they exercise the 59 year old Alou's option and just put him at first. He won't have to run and get hurt, F-Mart can jump into left, and all would be well in Mets land until Alou got hurt the second game of spring training. Alou might be done from a depth perspective, but I'd take the doubles and .320 avg every day of the week.

    1:53 PM

    Blogger mr. met said...

    TC...are those real stats? Please tell me they are. I'm too lazy to look.

    Alou at first works for me! Can he do it? I would take him back 100% and I think everyone knows he'll spend a few weeks on the DL, but that is expected.

    At least he can buy time until Evan/Carp/Murphy season themselves more.

    However, if they do let a young guy have it...it is imperative they give him 500 ABs and let him go for it.

    2:00 PM

    Blogger mr. met said...

    AE...You can have Garland for Vazquez. I'll throw in Uggla to sweeten the pot.

    2:01 PM

    Anonymous tc said...

    Those are indeed factual. Castillo in the two-hole has done nothing for this team.

    Pagan's in there today, so maybe good things are in the forecast (9-0).

    2:07 PM

    Blogger mr. met said...

    Fucking funny. Sample size, sample size, sample size...but I'm running with it tomorrow!

    2:40 PM

    Anonymous ossy said...

    we should cut our losses with delgado right now. he provides nothing.

    his salary for nothing will hurt, but im sure w/o a playoff push will be made and the additional funds, will offset his loss.

    if they cut him, id chill on the willie bashing.

    fernando martinez and kunz for mientkiewicz, nady and snell will take us to the promise land

    3:56 PM

    Blogger Rickey Henderson said...

    I truly hope Willie comes to grips that Castillo and Delgado are done and does the right thing.

    Keep on hoping. Barring divine intervention, we're stuck with Castillo for 4 years and if we're lucky, we'll see Wright starting at first base in 2009. But that's pretty doubtful.

    4:43 PM

    Blogger mr. met said...

    Ossy...that is a bold trade.

    Castillo will be in the two hole for all four years! Willie likes slappy 2nd baseman in the two hole...


    5:05 PM

    Anonymous tc said...

    Sosa looks piss poor of late.

    Giving up a 3-run yesterday and a grand slam today ... doesn't get much worse than that.

    ERA+ ... 74
    WHIP ... 1.50
    ERA ... 5.25

    And those are hus numbers without today factored in. After today's shitty appearance of 4 hits, 4 runs, and a walk, Sosa's allowed 11 earned in 13.2 innings pitched, and has a swell ERA of 7.24

    It appears Willie has found his new Mota. The only way Sosa should be in a game is in a long relief, innings-filler role. He is useless in the 7th and 8th innings of big games.

    And Willie pisses me off when he uses Feliciano for one batter and then yanks him after a walk. Right now hes the best guy in the pen aside from Wagner.

    5:27 PM

    Anonymous tc said...

    And to kick all of us in the nuts some more, Guillermo Mota would like everyone to know that he is putting up these numbers:

    10ip, 10k, 1er, 0.90 ERA.

    5:36 PM

    Anonymous ossy said...

    nady can play Rf/1B. Doug is solid at the corner and play defense after the 7th. Snell/Gorzelanny would justify Fernando's big name.

    Its a bold trade but it has potential.

    getting all SAT's on ya:

    George Bush:President::Willie Randolp:

    a) bench coach
    b) 2B
    c) manager

    this dude is gonna ride sosa like he did mota. the only way he wont is when minaya trades him to the Long island ducks

    5:49 PM

    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    now that cards suck, alot of people arent paying much attn to pujols. dude is on pace for 54k

    can we put minaya, mozeliak, 12 pounds of heroin, hookers, and pray for a 1B swap?

    5:53 PM

    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Can we trade manager since it seems everyone else fuckin loves Willie?


    11:10 PM

    Anonymous benny said...

    , Guillermo Mota would like everyone to know that he is putting up these numbers,

    Yeah but he has like a 2+ WHIP.
    Fuck that.

    11:13 PM

    Anonymous tc said...

    Very true, Benny. I was trying to play on the irony of the situation.

    12:24 AM

    Blogger Itsmetsforme said...



    Trade Fernando?


    That has potential all right. I am always amazed that Nady-love knows no bounds.

    1:44 PM

    Anonymous benny blanco from da bronx said...

    Nah man, those was jokes.... right?

    1:54 PM

    Anonymous ossy said...

    i would make that trade. its out of desperation to not see delgado in a mets uniform and win now. nady isnt a world beater, but he serves use. snell is also young and shown flashes. dougie would be for defensive purposes.

    not all trades have to be blockbusters that give u 4 years of greatness.

    2:58 PM

    Anonymous tc said...

    It'd have to be a blockbuster that gives me four years of greatness if I'm trading my number one and two prospects.

    Johan took four good/mid level prospects for four+ years of greatness.

    It better be a Johan-esque or better deal if I'm dealing top-level prospects, and Nady, Snell, Mientkiewicz aren't Johan-esque.

    Can't trade top prospects for pieces that don't guarantee dominance.

    3:32 PM

    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Church batting in front of Delgado tonight:

    * SS Jose Reyes
    * 2B Luis Castillo
    * 3B David Wright
    * CF Carlos Beltran
    * RF Ryan Church
    * 1B Carlos Delgado
    * LF Angel Pagan
    * C Brian Schneider
    * P Johan Santana

    Also, tough break for the Phils -- Rollins injury worse than thought (broken ankle).

    6:19 PM

    Blogger Anthony said...

    I'm honestly confused. Is someone really serious with the idea of trading F-Mart for Nady and has Mientkieshit in the same sentence? Seriously? I'm honestly trying to figure out if that's a silly joke. That makes absolutely no sense. So then we have ZERO real prospects and potential/youth for Xavier Nady? Seriously? C'mon man.... This has to be a joke.

    10:28 PM

    Anonymous ossy said...

    a top level prospect doesnt always turn into gold.

    btw, i mentioned that trade out of desperation to get delgado out of town. obviously it would never happen and was meant to be taken with a grain of salt

    10:30 AM

    Anonymous tc said...

    Johan = Stopper. Good stuff yesterday. Church continuing to rake. Wagner hasn't given up a hit in 8 innings ... he is beast like at the moment.

    I'll be down at Nationals Park tonight to catch the last game of the Mets/Nats series.

    Thanks to the glorious StubHub, I acquired tickets in the first row behind third base just past the dugout, so I plan on taking some pictures that I'll uploaded tomorrow. However, I may get thrown out of the stadium for yelling love and affection for 9 innings in the direction of David Wright.

    12:32 PM

    Blogger Itsmetsforme said...

    if we throw in Ollie, maybe we can get them to part with Matt Morris!
    ossy you hit a nerve because the mets history is littered with exactly such trades. no offense to you personally.

    2:10 PM

    Anonymous ossy said...

    like i said, that was a desperation trade. you may notice a trend with my comments... i hate willie and the PRMV delgado (PRMV = puerto rican mo vaugn). id make a bad trade to get rid of delgado while giving us a chance to finish the year with october winning streak.

    everyone is trade bait for me, so long as the trade makes sense.

    in a vacuum, i would not make that trade unless they threw in gorzelanny in place of doug m. hahaha

    3:52 PM

    Blogger almar said...

    Mets karma at it again.

    Schneider is out with an infected left thumb and may hit the DL.

    Timing sucks the big hairy one with this turn of events. Right before a big series with the Braves where Mets pitching will have to be at their best vs. Hudson and Smoltz. Pelfrey must be crying in his gatorade right about now.

    Instead we have to have Casanova who calls a shitty game.

    Here's an idea, can they have Schneider call the game from the dugout?

    4:49 PM

    Anonymous benny said...

    Hmm, Aaron Heilman sucks.

    9:22 PM

    Anonymous tc said...

    Nats Park is very, very nice. Got me excited to see how clean and aesthetically pleasing Citi Field will be.

    Duaner Sanchez = Really cool guy. Threw my dad a ball before the game started, was chatting it up a bit with some fans.

    Nelly Figs signed autographs for a good twenty minutes before the game, loved the shout outs for Coney Island.

    Reyes gave us some love by pointing and nodding. Delgado, as well, but I ruined it by telling him not to fuck up during the game.

    As a whole, the game started off well. Perez looked good for a while, then lost it when he was walking guys. I was THRILLED to see Willie avoid using Heilman in the 8th, but was pissed when he brought him in with two men on in a pressure situation. He needs to build his confidence, not get thrown in the fire. The pitch he hit out was right down the middle and was a fucking BOMB.

    Sosa was horrendous, and I screamed how much he sucked so much the Nationals fans were hysterical.

    Sloppy defensive plays put this game out of reach. Delgado's error was just terrible, and there was a play after he should have fielded.

    Sugary webgem at 3rd base was insanity, and I was like 5 feet away to see it, so that was cool.

    Overall, could have been an awesome, awesome time. But the loss made it just ok.

    Also, if you ever go to Nats Park, go to Parking Lot E, say you're a season ticket holder and you forgot your parking pass, and they just let you right in for free! No 20$ to park in a lot 6 or 7 blocks away ... Sweet.

    Also, the president's race is fucking retarded. But not hearing "EVERYBODY CLAP YOUR HANDS" every three minutes was good.

    1:17 PM

    Anonymous tc said...

    Oh, and I forgot to post this gem:


    Joey Smith tells Cubs fans in the bleachers that they ,"Ain't shit," and that, "They got nothing," because Joe has 57,000 people staring at him in the big leagues. Good stuff.

    1:20 PM

    Blogger Anthony said...

    Thanks for recap on DC game tc. Good stuff.

    That Joe Smith youtube thing is AWESOME. I love that kid. He's my new favorite now. He's got some big balls. That's the kind of players we need on this team.

    2:26 PM


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