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Monday, April 28, 2008

Getting Late Early

Oh, it is getting ugly.

In balance, this was a good day for the tattered relationship between the Mets and their fans. But because it was played in the cauldron of coiled anger and hatred that Shea has become, it had its ups and downs.

Most of them centered on Carlos Delgado. They booed when his name was announced as a member of the starting lineup. They cheered after his first home run. They asked for a curtain call after his second, and he refused. Some of them booed then, but most seemed to understand.

There's a lot of work to do here. The Mets and their fans are going to spend this season in couples counseling, and both sides are going to have to do their part. The team can help by grinding out workmanlike wins like the ones they got the past two days -- against the Braves, with clutch hits, solid defense and good late-inning relief work. The fans could help by occasionally letting the team know, with the odd "Let's Go Mets" chant or even an unrequited demand for a curtain call, that they still do want to see them do well.


It is never a good scene when the fans and players are at odds. It has happened with Beltran before when he refused curtain calls and it is happening now and I would tend to think Delgado is not alone in his displeasure with the fans. Sure, the Mets have been disappointing so far, but they are still in 2nd place and in striking distance of first place.

Some guys seem to think that a .500 team 25 games into the season is an egregious thing. Give it time. If they are still wallowing around .500 and looking average in another month, then maybe it is clear some things need changing.

One person familiar with Fred and Jeff Wilpon's philosophy says "the honeymoon is over" for both the manager and general manager. That means the Mets have to do more than simply remain competitive with a mediocre field in the National League. With a $140 million payroll, the Mets should be good enough to run away from the rest of the East; that's the consensus from the franchise's highest echelons. That's why a win over the Braves was symbolically important to the Mets, because it reminded everyone in the clubhouse what efficient baseball feels like.

They have allowed the 9th fewest runs as a team in the bigs and are 6th in the NL. They have the10th best run differential in the big leagues and the 7th best run differential in the NL. The Mets offense has been very disappointing, but Reyes got off to a slow start and I think that aspect of the Mets has some significant room for growth.

My perfect season would go something like this:

1) Mets continue to be average
2) Willie gets fired after 50 games
3) Oberkefell or Carters takes over
4) Mets play .600 ball thereafter with Alou in the lineup and Pedro in the rotation

I think the fans need to throttle back and put things in perspective a bit. The last thing any Met fans need is the players not liking the fans and having some bad blood. I get that people are upset because of some high expectations that are not getting fulfilled, but did I miss where the Mets stunk it up completely? I think Delgado and Heilman have flat out sucked, but I think drawing the ire of the fans this early and in this manner is a bit ridiculous.

Delgado could have tried to repair the situation by acknowledging the crowd, but he did not and I think that is a mistake. Also, he might want to start hitting better if he wants the spotlight taken off of him or Willie really just needs to burry him in the 7th spot until he proves Sunday was not a fluke. Regardless of how shitty Delgado is playing, booing a 2nd place team should not get done. I think this divide between the fans and the team is going to wider unless the Mets go on a tear soon which does not seem likely right now. We will know things have gotten bad if Wright stops being Sugary about the topic and thankfully we are not there yet....the operative word there is yet.

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  • John Smoltz is having some issues.

    If 20 strikeouts in his previous two starts seduced some into thinking John Smoltz might go on like this forever, Sunday served as a reminder that it can't.

    Even the bearded Braves icon can't ignore pain and keep mowing down hitters in perpetuity. Now he'll have his sore shoulder checked to see how bad the wear and tear has become and whether he needs to take some more time off.


    He was so good prior to Sunday that some of the fears about this shoulder had been allayed, but the concerns are back. If the Braves are going to have any shot, they need him to be healthy.

  • We all should just forget that Alou exists.

  • Ooooooo boy.

    The central question: Do the Giants continue to let Barry Zito get his brains beaten every time he takes the mound, or do they take what certainly will be an embarrassing public-relations hit and remove their $126 million pitcher from the rotation and try to get him right?

    .336 BAA, 1.95 WHIP, 7.53 ERA, 3.45 k/9, and .73 k/bb. That could of been the Mets $75 million dollar mistake so everyone take a deep breath and thank the baseball gods.

  • The Phillies #2 is not looking like a #2.

    Normally, the righthander's fastball tops out in the low-to-mid 90s. For most of the season, including yesterday's loss, it hasn't cracked 89.

    "I haven't seen a fastball," Manuel said. "It topped out today at 89. Myers is usually 92-95, somewhere in there. I haven't seen the fastball since the start of the season."


    His 5.11 ERA is ugly.

  • Sure Delgado had some spin, but he has been around for a while.

    But Delgado spoke with David Wright, wandered over and sat down next to Carlos Beltran, leaving the fans hanging until they sat down, too. So even on a day that was his best of the season and a win that the team needed, the questions still hung in the air – where was this tenuous relationship headed?

    "First, it surprised me," Delgado said. "Is it for me? What did I do? The way I look at it, fans here are passionate. Sometimes you never know what they're going to do. You hit a home run [and] you have respect for the game. You shake hands with your friends. You don't want to show anybody up. The game goes on. That's the way I felt. I hit a solo home run in the seventh inning. We had a two-run lead and went to a three-run lead. Yeah, it's a big run, but what are you going to do?"


    He gets the idea of a curtain call and that is not showing anyone up. That is between you and the fans. Nice try, but I ain't buying what you are selling.

    Delgado insisted afterward this was no statement. But it was the strongest one yet to define this current reality: Met fans don't like this team too much and the players don't like the fans, either. If there are more days like yesterday and more weekends such as this one, when the Mets recover from a Friday loss to beat co-aces Tim Hudson and John Smoltz, perhaps the relationship can heal.

    Winning a lot heals all, but the players will probably not forget.

    "To some extent it is overdone," Billy Wagner said of the disapproval at Shea that comes quickly and loud. He added, "I think it gets a little malicious with no reason for us."

    As Sherman said, at the first sign of trouble, the booing commences. It could be in the first inning and it could be when the team is winning in the fifth. However, when there is a sniff of some trouble, you can be sure that that the fans will turn.

  • Ryan Church can flash the leather.

  • Mike Carp is enjoying a nice rebound season.

    "It's been fun. I've always had a rough time in April since I signed," said Carp, a ninth-round pick out of Lakewood (Calif.) High in 2004 who had a .232 average during the opening month of his first three full pro seasons. "This year I wanted to prove to the Mets last year was a fluke."

    He has been hitting lefties just as well as he is hitting righties, which is a great sign. The six homers he has hit this season in 24 games is more than half of what he hit in 98 games last season and it seems that he is back on track.
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    25 Comments:

    Blogger The Mets Police said...

    I like your plan - I have a similar one except it does not include Pedro Redsox Martinez in any way.

    1:00 PM

     
    Anonymous benny blanco from da bronx said...

    According to the Daily News, Roger Clemens has been having an affair with some random and sucky country music singer no one's every heard of. ALLEGEDLY he's been bangin' her since she was 15 and he was 28, HOLLA!
    Where are the same articles Milledge got when they found out he getting some from a sophomore when he was a senior? I want justice damnit!

    Barry Zito to the bullpen! According to the San Jose Mercury News, his suckiness has made the Giants consider moving him to the bullpen so he can only give up 2 or 3 runs rather than his usual 6. Only 6 years left for him! Thanks Brian Sabean!

    The Mets 13-11, better records than the Yankees, Dodgers, Rockies, Padres, Indians, the two teams everybody was picking as a "sleeper", the Mariners and Blue Jays, as well as the 1,000 run scoring Tigers. Relax kiddies! That is proof its still early. I mean this time last year?
    The Mets owned the National League with a 14-8 record.

    THe positive on Delgado? Well... he can't be any worse than h'es been now! He has only one way to go and that's up!

    Who's Moises Alou?

    Brett Myers throwing 89 mph? HOly shit! He's pitching like Nelson Figgueroa out there only without the pitching smarts or the production!

    For as negative as I was for Ryan Church, I must say, his defense out there is BEAUTIFUL! I've never felt so confident in the outfield defense. Endy, Pagan, Beltran, and Church allows me to sit back and relax and know someone out there is going to catch it, no matter what. Beltran and Church really make look VERY easy out there and having played the outfield in my athletic career it pisses me off because its not that easy, its hard as shit and these guys are out there catching flyballs like nothing.

    THe Mets face the DBacks this weekend, I hope we miss B-Webb cause he's been amazing out there. Scherzer got called up as well.

    I been watching alot of Dodgers games recently and umm, Joe Torre is all over the place.

    1:03 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Could care less if a player comes out for a Curtain Call or not. This is a non-issue; a New York media needs-something-to-talk-about issue. Just win some damn games.

    Period.

    - Nokes

    1:11 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    Why no Pedro love? Pedro makes this team better by sitting there. He gives them life. I am a Pedro fan no matter how many innings he pitches this season.

    Clemens is a bad human being? Who would have thunk it?

    Sabean is my hero. He is terrible and gets a raise and an extension!

    Benny, great point comparing last year's record and this year's. I'm totally stealing that and not giving you credit.

    Way to be all sunshine and rainbows in regards to Delgado. Good stuff.

    Scherzer to the bullpen though...at least at first.

    DBacks will be a nice test for the Mets.

    Nokes, it is a non-issue, but an issue at the same time. The players are starting to dislike the players and I cannot think of why that is a good thing.

    1:33 PM

     
    Blogger almar said...

    You know this is getting stupid. Fans boo whether it is right or wrong (as in the case of Santana). It is our tradition, but then again we cheer and worship our players harder than any other city as a result. It comes with the territory. Not saying I agree when it gets overdone, but I understand.

    But to put the onus on the fans, after what they witnessed last year? As if we are supposed to care whether the players get miffed or not and tread lightly because of it?

    THE PLAYERS NEED TO GET A GRIP.

    This is what playing in NY is all about. The Collapse™ is still mildy fresh in the minds of fans no matter what the players or GM or manager say, more so in their minds with their average play of late. is there a fan on here who did not feel as if September continued into April this year with their slow start?

    And even if they go on a tear and take command of the division, The Collapse™ will still be the monkey on this franchise's backs until exorcised with a follow-thru championship (NL East, NL, or WS).

    And wait until September if they have a lead when the memories of last year will start popping out like zits on prom night.

    With all the talk about the Mets desperately needing to get younger going forward with no more injury-prone geriatric retreads, they also need to get players who can stand the heat of NYC. The front office should not overlook that aspect. Question is, how do you measure that objectively?

    Enough with the pussies, prima donnas and whiners on this team who take it too personal.

    1:56 PM

     
    Anonymous Chris said...

    Pedro makes this team better by sitting there. He gives them life. I am a Pedro fan no matter how many innings he pitches this season.

    word.

    As far as the Delgado thing goes, unfortunately it's an issue because it's an issue, you know? It shouldn't be an issue, but it's being made an issue, therefore it's an issue. Fuck the heck?

    Since it's an issue and all, my take is this: good for Carlos. The dude just doesn't do curtain calls, and that's fine by me. He sure as hell could have done a lot better job explaining it, though. Something to the effect of "Hey, I've only taken two curtain calls in my career. I appreciate the fans' support, and I hope today is the start of some better times for me at the plate, but curtain calls just aren't my thing."

    And if he did it just to stick it to the boo birds, all the better.

    Cest la vie.

    Obviously I hope he is turning it around (and the fact that one of those shots was of the opposite field variety gives me some glimmer of hope), becuase the team could sure as hell use a little more thump in the lineup, especially given that Alou's apparently been diagnosed with a raging case of the deads.

    That, and my fantasy team could use a lift. Figures Carlos produces only after I finally decide to bench him. Boooooo! Boooooooooo!

    What was I saying? Oh, right. It's still early, they're not in terrible shape, and it's time to pounce on some Pirates. If the weather and my work schedule both hold, I hope to trundle down there from Upstate on Wednesday. I'm looking forward to some ass kicking, seeing as the last time I got to Shea was #162 of '07.

    2:10 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    I am annoyed. Mets fans boo alot, but I think it get is getting silly. It is to the point where a first inning jam gets some boos already...or seemingly.

    I think it is a problem when the players start disliking the fans. You think it is good for 81 games to be played at home where the players dread coming because of annoying fans? I'm not saying I'm against booing 100% of the time, but booing Santana?

    C'mon. This year they are stepping up their efforts. I don't think it is a thin skinned issue at this point because it is so ridiculous.

    2:29 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    "but did I miss where the Mets stunk it up completely?"

    wtf kind of a question is that? with all due respect, in three or four years of reading your swell blog, this might be the first time i've seen something stupid.

    ok, maybe that's not fair, i get what you're saying, but it's called LAST SEPTEMBER!

    like Almar is saying, this is all about last year. i'm not worried about this season yet, and I would never boo the mets (us Virginias are more polite than you city boys), but i'm still beyond upset about last year and probably will be until the day i die. the fact that they didn't fire willie is why my hemaroids still bleed.

    i don't care about the curtain call, but i sure do care about reyes, etc.

    look, i'm onboard with the whole chill-it's-early line of thought but it's impossible to forget or not resent the worst collapse in history.

    jake

    2:33 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    Jake, jake, jake. They have not been horrible.

    Am I alone here that the players disliking the fans is a bad thing? I mean, what ever happened to a symbiotic relationship between the two?

    I would prefer they not take us for granted and in some cases hate us because a few people like to boo in non boo-ing situations.

    3:38 PM

     
    Anonymous Danny said...

    To anybody that is defending the fan behavior at Shea this season, I ask you to consider this:

    The Mets are 8-4 at home this year.

    Think about it, folks. It's RIDICULOUS, the booing, it's out of control. Enough is enough. Support the home team and boo the opposition for goodness sakes.

    I thought NY fans were supposed to be both passionate AND knowledgeable.

    Not just passionate (and stupid).

    3:46 PM

     
    Anonymous Chris said...

    Am I alone here that the players disliking the fans is a bad thing?

    You are not. The booing has gone beyond ridiculous. I think writing it off as "bandwagoneers" is maybe a little simplistic, but I'm at a loss as to how else to explain it. Certainly nobody who's sat through more than a handful of years of Met baseball can be that impatient.

    I get being frustrated by listless play. I've thrown more than one shoe at the radio already this season, but for the love of god. If you hate this team and its players so much that you're willing to voice your disapproval at the drop of a hat, then why the hell are you spending money on the tickets? Just for the opportunity to boo? Isn't that what the Knicks are for? (And, by the way, I do think that situation has informed this one, at least a bit).

    I'm all for booing when it's waranted. But, like Delgado's take on curtain calls, I think it rarely is, at least when the home team's involved. Hell, I'm not even much for booing the visitors, with some extremely notable exceptions.

    Booing Milledge earlier this season, for instance. Fuck the heck?!?

    I digress ...

    I mean, what ever happened to a symbiotic relationship between the two?

    We're losing it fast, I'm afraid. It doesn't help that the fans are feeling screwed by ownership (ticket prices up, etc.), but in the typical management/labor dychotomy, I'd think that would bring regular joes like us closer to the team.

    The sad thing is, these Mets may very well need the full-blooded support of their vocal fanbase this season. Shit, we should be working to make sure they want to win for us. All this booing is, essentially, asking them to become the very thing I think many folks think they're booing: bored, self-serving, in-it-for-the-money players. What the hell else is their motivation if they get told how much they suck every time they come home?

    Not to get too personal or anything, but after round about 14 years of being told I didn't measure up, not getting any lovin' and working my fingers to the bone for no apparent reason, I eventually moved out of the house. Now I'm busting my balls to make due as a single dad, but it's a hell of a lot better than putting up with the bullshit.

    I took the metaphor too far, but the point is I think we'd all better start showing these players a good time in the sack before we get served with some divorce papers in the form of a .500 season. We need them to want to win for us, the relationship needs to be a two-way street, we need to show a little bit of unconditional love now and then, so they know we value their hard work.

    (Which is certainly not a call for rainbows and puppydogs and kitten pie, for christsake. We should sure as hell call 'em like we see 'em, but goddamnit, if I'm shelling out the money to go to a game to support this franchise with which I've lived and died since I was 6 years old, I'm sure as hell not going to waste my time telling them how much I hate them - even if I do at that particular moment. That's what blog comment sections are for).

    Phew.

    4:09 PM

     
    Anonymous Danny said...

    Well said, Chris. That was fantastic.

    4:17 PM

     
    Anonymous Pavan said...

    The fans booing Delgado is just a matter of actually playing in New York. Times haven't changed; it's been this way for all the years I remember at Shea. When someone is playing crappy for the Mets, the fans boo them, regardless if you're Johan Santana, David Wright, Jose Reyes, or Carlos Delgado. You probably get a pass if you're Piazza and are at the end of a great career with the Mets.

    When things are going well for you, you'll get cheered more than anywhere else and the fans will give you more than any other city. When you're playing shitty, the fans will yell "You suck!" along with some profanity-laced tirade telling you to get out of New York and fuck your mom before they do. Its the way the fans are in New York. All the Mets players (ALL!) should have the balls to deal with it. Get over it Mets players, and embrace the fans for what they are... it'll make life much easier.

    That said, I'm definitely not one of the fans that boo any Met players(excluding Vince Coleman), and it'd be great if Mets fans weren't so eager to boo. The mets do have a decent record at this point and I would hope the booing stops when they go on a hot streak.

    4:20 PM

     
    Blogger almar said...

    "Am I alone here that the players disliking the fans is a bad thing? I mean, what ever happened to a symbiotic relationship between the two? "

    It is a bad thing. Considering that the average fans has had to put up with the past 10-15 years such as steroids, strikes, absurd costs to go to a game, smaller stadiums which make it harder for average fan, skyrocketing ridiculous salaries, lack of accountability, and the ultimate pussy-fying of the game on the field, the players should be kissing all of our lily white, and brown (and all colors in between) asses!

    We need baseball to go back to the 1970s-80s when it was a man's game...not the MTV/ESPN pinball version we see on TV the past several seasons.

    Baseball 70s style: When men were men and fat guys were all stars.

    4:22 PM

     
    Blogger almar said...

    "Am I alone here that the players disliking the fans is a bad thing? I mean, what ever happened to a symbiotic relationship between the two? "

    It is a bad thing. Considering that the average fans has had to put up with the past 10-15 years such as steroids, strikes, absurd costs to go to a game, smaller stadiums which make it harder for average fan, skyrocketing ridiculous salaries, lack of accountability, and the ultimate pussy-fying of the game on the field, the players should be kissing all of our lily white, and brown (and all colors in between) asses!

    We need baseball to go back to the 1970s-80s when it was a man's game...not the MTV/ESPN pinball version we see on TV the past several seasons.

    Baseball 70s style: When men were men and fat guys were all stars.

    4:22 PM

     
    Anonymous tc said...

    Weather looks pretty bad out in terms of there being a game tonight. Keep Johan out of the rain, all we need is a pulled hammy from slipping on a wet mound and the apocalypse is upon us.

    Via RotoWorld, Scherzer may not be in the 'pen 100% ... Owings is still hurting, and with the way Max has been tearing the shit out of AAA, they may give him a start. He is a fantasy stud in the waiting, I mean the other day the guy struck out 11 for the second time in a row, and his statline is out of control (!!'s added for emphasis):
    38k!!, 23ip, 3 walks!!
    1.17 ERA, .652 WHIP!!

    Delgado can do whatever he wants, be it take a curtain call, piss on small children, give me the finger, etc. So long as he gets his ass in gear, hits some doubles and home runs, and doesn't go 3-28 on road trips.

    Clemens? Just solidifying his douche status.

    I am running for office in the Ryan Church fan club, he is the man, especially after that catch last night.

    "Perfect season:
    1) Mets continue to be average
    2) Willie gets fired after 50 games
    3) Oberkefell or Carters takes over
    4) Mets play .600 ball thereafter with Alou in the lineup and Pedro in the rotation"

    Yes to all accounts, and with a little playoff love and David Wright captainship in the forecast, all will be good in the land of Flushing.

    4:31 PM

     
    Blogger almar said...

    The excessive booing, not the normal every day booing, but the excessive over -the-top idiotic booing is a result of PCD™ (Post-Collapse Disorder)

    I am looking at this objectively and I will tell you that this excessive booing is going to continue until this team gets their heads out of their asses, and win this division.

    Period.

    I do not think it is a far stretch to say they the team lost a huge chunk of the fans' heart last season. And this cannot be swept under the rug because it is 2008. if anything, the hope for a lot of fans is that perhaps 2007 would be the chip on their shoulder to spur them on, and even though it is still early in 2008, I have yet to see this anger/chip manifest itself on the field.

    It is early,as I said, but by June if this team is not in full gear, shit will hit the blue and orange fan.

    4:32 PM

     
    Anonymous Danny said...

    Here's the thing, almar. Baseball is kind of hard. You just don't flip a switch and have success, no matter how talented you are. Did you expect some players to completely change their personality just to appease the fans? Just so the fans know they "really care" or whatever?

    These are all proud guys. I am sure they are completely embarrassed by what went down last year. They don't NEED the boos to fire them up.

    In fact, the boos serve the opposite purpose, the players get tighter and under-perform. Remember the time that there was that one player who was underachieving and not trying hard, but then the fans booed him a bunch and he realized he was sucking, so because of the boos, he turned his career around and started trying? Yeah, that doesn't exist. The boos can only hurt.

    It seems sort of backwards, doesn't it? You are trying to hurt the team you supposedly love.

    And really, the "That's baseball in NY" argument is so tired. Tell that to Philly fans or Boston fans. It's passionate, but ill-informed fan behavior. I thought Mets fans were a little smarter, but apparently not. We're just the same as anybody else, if not worse.

    5:01 PM

     
    Blogger Anthony said...

    I have been down on this team for most of the season. I don't feel they have the killer instinct and have lacked the drive to take what they feel they deserve. I think Delgado is arrogant, soft and has never won anything to speak of. I don't like his attitude at all the last couple years and believe he is one of the main reasons this team is the way it is. He does not play the game like Lenny Dykstra, Wally Backman, Keith Hernandez, Gary Carter and Mike Piazza played the game to name a few of my favorites. He doesn't have the same fire, nor do I think many of the players on this team do. It bums me out. I look forward to him not being on this team anymore after next year.

    That all being said, I wouldn't boo Delgado nor any of the other players unless they were just being outright pricks. I haven't yet booed anybody on the team that I root for. Just doesn't make sense to me. I want them to do well and am there to try to encourage them to do well. Not give them shit to put more pressure on them. It won't work. It's ignorant to boo the players and blow them crap like that. Ignorant asshole fans do that. It's not just a "NY thing". Assholes in Philly, Boston do it all the time. It comes from obnoxious people who don't get it. Anyone who has ever played at any real level of competitive sport (high school, amateur, etc) be it baseball or football, know that encouragement from your teammates and fans motivate you to do better. Booing will not help the team.

    And if a person is so pissed off at the ownership, the league, the players, mgmt, the cost, then the easiest answer is to not go. Don't support it if you think it sucks so bad. I still like this team even though they annoy the shit out of me and I will always love the Mets. It's in my blood. They're like family to me. It's all I've know. So I don't boo my blood.

    6:47 PM

     
    Anonymous whozgotnext said...

    I agree with most of the sentiments here, and I rarely boo anyone at sporting events, least of all the Mets.

    Having said that, I think that Omar and the organization brought this upon themselves a bit by failing to hold anyone accountable for '07. It was The Collapse, sure, but in truth outside of a short spurt in August, it was a team that underachieved and seemed to lack focus and motivation all season, and everyone who was paying attention knew it. By the time The Collapse happened, as historic as it was, it wasn't all that surprising.

    Randolph had to be fired, his professional blood spilled as a purification ritual. I'm serious about that. Someone had to be held accountable for breaking the hearts of half of New York City. When that didn't happen, you just knew that this team was going to be on a very short leash in terms of the patience of their fans. Trading for/buying Santana was a nice gesture, but it didn't address the issue.

    The booing, of course, as has been noted by so many here, will only tend to make the players less inspired, and it's a vicious cycle. A new leader, a new voice - both in the clubhouse and in the media - would have gone a long way towards helping the wounds heal. The decision not to do that is haunting this franchise in a very serious way.

    8:05 PM

     
    Blogger almar said...

    "In fact, the boos serve the opposite purpose, the players get tighter and under-perform. Remember the time that there was that one player who was underachieving and not trying hard, but then the fans booed him a bunch and he realized he was sucking, so because of the boos, he turned his career around and started trying? Yeah, that doesn't exist. The boos can only hurt."

    I am in agreement here. I never said that I all for the excessive booing, in fact just the opposite. Boioing here and there where deserved, but the overdone booing is just stupid.

    Yet I do understand the frustration that may be the impetus to boo with this current climate.

    9:04 PM

     
    Blogger almar said...

    "aving said that, I think that Omar and the organization brought this upon themselves a bit by failing to hold anyone accountable for '07."

    Excellent point that I failed to bring up previously. I think that this whole booing issue would not exist to this extreme had there been some accountability for September. I think the feeling among fans (and I could be wrong, I can't speak for the entire fan base) may have been that they were taken for granted after The Collapse™ by the front office.

    Now I don;t know if firing Wilie would have been the action to take, given it was a complete and total team and front office effort, and given that Willie was one year off a playoff appearance, som in essence, 2006 may have saved Willie's job after 2007.

    But this is a new year and my feeling is that ownership has issued a silent mandate to "win or else" this year to Willie, with Omar on notice next in line should Randolph get the axe.

    9:11 PM

     
    Blogger Sidd Finch said...

    Mike, I was wondering why you have been so calm about the team lately, seeing the scenario you have mapped out, I now know why.

    Couple of things:

    2007 the worst collapse in history? How about '64 Phillies, '51 Dodgers, '78 Red Sox, '38 Pirates?

    I am sick of the booing. Compare the fans now to Mets fans of the '60's. Now THERE was a team that sucked, and the booing was virtually non existent. Now it's worse than Philly. It must be all the fans that jumped on the bandwagon the past few years. I wish they'd get off the bandwagon.

    Delgado got off on the wrong foot with Mets fans by signing with the Marlins when he should have signed with the Mets. Some people hold that against him.

    Hell, Mets fans booed ED KRANEPOOL mercilessly in the mid '70's.

    Boston fans do not boo anywhere near as much as this.

    I don't ever want to hear 'Y*nkees suck' at Shea again! Let's root for our team, not against those chumps!

    As far as ticket prices go, why does a ticket that cost 27 dollars last year cost 39 dollars this year? and 47 dollars for the last home game at Shea? You have to be kidding me!

    11:48 AM

     
    Anonymous tc said...

    Sidd,

    I'm happy with my $47 tickets for the last game at Shea. Go take a look on stubhub and ebay right now and see how much they're going for ...

    $2,699.99 for 4 front row
    $1,899.99 for 4 field level
    $1,481.00 for 2 loge box?!
    $425 for 2 upper reserve

    If they are legitimately this high, and the Mets clinch a playoff spot, I'm selling those fucking things. They'll pay off 1/2 the price of my entire season ticket (with the playoff games included). Plus, it won't even be the last game in Shea, so I win by default.

    And if they don't make the playoffs, I might sell them anyway, because 1) I'll be so frustrated with this team and 2) That's a SHITLOAD of money.

    Anyone want a couple of Loge section 4 seats for $2,000?

    2:21 PM

     
    Blogger Sidd Finch said...

    I didn't think of that. I was ranting about the big increase in ticket prices. Methinks that the Mets profits will be up big time this year.

    5:21 PM

     

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