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Monday, July 31, 2006

Renewed Hatred

I hate the Yankees. Their $ 194,663,079 payroll will now be $211,563,079 when counted against the luxury tax threshold after they acquired Bobby Abreu and Cory Lidle. Now Abreu is not having a great year, but his .277/.427/.434 with 26 doubles, 8 homers, 65 RBIs, and 20 stolen bases is still very good. Their ability as a team to now get on base is downright silly and when Sheffield and Matsui come back, that lineup will be the best lineup by far. Of course, offense was not the Yankees problem, it was pitching. Cory Lidle will help alleviate that problem, but he is not really good. He will just provide marginal help.

What really irks me about this trade is what the Phillies received back. The Phillies received back 2005 first round pick disappointment C.J. Henry, 27 year old lefthander Matt Smith, catcher Jesus Sanchez and righthander Carlos Monasterios. Only Smith has played above low-A and the Phillies, though they maintained they would not just dump salary, did exactly that. They gave Abreu up for nothing. Lidle's salary was not enough of a salary dump in my eyes to justify not getting any worth while prospects, but it happened. We have seen this type of thing happen a lot in the past and the Yankees pulled off a tremendous trade that should be a criminal offense.

As for 2007, the Yankees have a $139,700,000 with Johnny Damon, Kyle Farnsworth, Jason Giambi, Derek Jeter, Randy Johnson, Hideki Matsui, Carl Pavano, Alex Rodriguez, and Bobby Abreu on contract. The rest are either in their first three years of MLB service, up for free agency, or have an option that could be exercised as in Mussina's case. The Yankees took on a considerable financial burden with Abreu, but they did not even have to exercise his 2008 option to get the deal done. Simply mind boggling. As for the people that say why couldn’t the Mets pull off a deal, the Mets had several issues I would surmise. First, the Phillies would have been reluctant to just give away a player of Abreu’s skill level to a divisional rival. Secondly, the Mets are not the Yankees. Abreu’s $15 million in 2007 might have been a burden while the Mets chase an ace starting pitcher after this season. It would have a been tougher for the Mets to work out a deal than the Yankees. However, if the Yankees somehow land Yulieski Gourriel despite not really even being a good fit while the Mets are perfect fit, I might just go nuts.

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  • Glavine has had absolutely nothing of late. With a 7-0 lead, Glavine could not even make it to the fifth inning though he seemed a little miffed that Willie gave him the hook.

    "I don't want to get into that," Glavine said. "The manager took me out of the game and that's the deal."

    Willie did the right thing. Glavine had nothing and the lead was too slim to chance it.

  • Beltran is now my pick for NL MVP by far. Of course a lot can change between now and the end of the year, but Carlos Beltran deserves it. He became the ninth player to knock three grand slams in a calendar month and knocked in 12 RBIs over the weekend. He now ranks 4th in homers, 3rd in runs scored, 3rd in OPS, 1st in RBIs, and 2nd in SLG.

  • Atlanta is now fifteen games back. Can we never hear them mentioned again in terms of this divisional race? They now would also have to leapfrog eight teams for the Wild Card which is also improbable. Their flawed stretch was impressive, but it is time to move on.

  • Wilson Betemit for Willy Aybar and Danys Baez was a tremendous deal for the Braves. Too bad it won't matter.

  • Rumors, rumors, rumors....

    Heilman for Marquis? The bad karma would be to much for the Mets to fight. They would be doomed. If that goes down, Omar is an idiot. MLBTradeRumors.com lays down some perspective, but the deal is just not good any way you shake it as it really just does not help them much, if at all.

    After all, Marquis will be a free agent after this season and currently sports a 5.67 ERA and 1.41 WHIP. "But wait!" you're saying. "What about those times Tony La Russa sacrificed his ERA to save the bullpen?" Alright, alright, let's take those out (which is more than a tad generous). Removing Marquis's 12 and 13 earned run starts, he's got a 4.39 ERA and 1.28 WHIP. That actually makes Marquis look like an above average pitcher. Indeed, he is a pretty solid back of the rotation guy.

    Billy Beane on the Zito trade rumors.

    "I haven't talked to Omar (Minaya, the Mets' GM) in two months,'' Beane said Saturday, and after the game, he said, "Rumors are just that: rumors.''

    Gotham baseball says something different.

    Gotham Baseball On The Mets

    Gotham Baseball's Mark Healey has an update with the latest buzz surrounding the Mets.

    Healey talks to various team officials and uncovers Billy Beane's reported asking price for Barry Zito: John Maine, Carlos Gomez, and Aaron Heilman.


    You'd have to do it if that was the case.

    Milledge for Oswalt? I would say that has to be done.

    The asking price for both Schmidt and Oswalt is believed to revolve around multi-talented young outfielder Lastings Milledge.

    Should Minaya land either Schmidt or Oswalt without surrendering anyone off the club's current major league roster, he'd be landing a major body blow to the rest of the National League, which is already a few laps behind the Mets.

    "If the Mets get one of these guys, they're pretty much a World Series lock,'' one competing NL executive said.


    Why would the Astros do it? They could have enough pitching (though not great pitching) without Oswalt if they get a starter back and could then use Milledge in a trade to acquire a bat such as Alfonso Soriano or Miguel Tejada. Tejada being the more likely target being that he is under contract for a several seasons. In reality, I consider moving Milledge far less detrimental than moving Phil Humber. I think the Mets can fill in their outfield next season reasonably while Fernando Martinez, Carlos Gomez, and Ambiorix Concepcion progress to step up in take something over in the near future. Also, if the Mets can land Gouriel at second, which they should do at all costs, a possible outfield rotation with Floyd, Nady, and Diaz should be enough.

    For the record, Dan Grazzino says that Milledge's name was not mentioned in any deal with the Giants.

    Late last night, the Mets were in negotiations with the Giants in an effort to acquire right-hander Jason Schmidt. The deal is a long shot, but it was intriguing enough to both sides that they were exchanging names. Interestingly, Lastings Milledge, who'd been the key name in the Mets' murky efforts to land Barry Zito from Oakland, is not one of the names involved in talks with the Giants. San Francisco, according to a person close to the talks, would rather make Aaron Heilman the centerpiece of a Schmidt deal, adding a prospect or two around him.

    Rumors about Livan continue to swirl, but any trade for him might even be step back at this point as he might represent a marginal upgrade over Trachsel who probably wouldn't even be the one bumped from the rotation.

    The Mets are looking at Roberto Hernandez again.

    Still, the Mets engaged in weekend dialogue with the Pirates, with ex-Met reliever Roberto Hernandez and Wells the two most obtainable options from Pittsburgh. Chips that have been mentioned in that type of deal include Heath Bell, Anderson Hernandez and hard-throwing Double-A reliever Matt Lindstrom.

    Not a bad deal if he can be snagged for one of them.

  • Phil Humber tossed up another gem on Saturday in St. Lucie's loss to Lakeland. Humber went five innings and gave up two hits, no runs, and two walks while striking out seven to lower his ERA to 2.37.

    Deolis Guerra also tossed up a gem on Saturday in Hagerstown's win over Asheville. Guerra went 5.2 innings and gave up three hits, no runs, and one walk while striking out four. He improved to 5-6 and owns a 2.45 ERA.
  • 103 Comments:

    Anonymous Danny said...

    I started warming up to Gomez again. I guess batting nearly .400 over a couple of months can do that. He's a freakish athlete. And with freakish athlete prospects, the question is always the same: will he hit? Now let's figure out why he hits .100 every April.

    I like a potential Schmidt package with Heilman as the leading chip the best.

    I don't think anything significant is going to go down on the Mets end.

    12:00 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Hi, Roy Oswalt? Cliff Floyd. Remember when you hit me. Yeah, I remember...BAM! Welcome to NYC.

    Mike can you confirm if Oswalt is a free agent after the '06 season? All this talk of Zito Zito Zito and I plum forgot.

    Not the Marquis. Please no. He's killed many a fantasy team. Let's keep it that way.

    Stupid Phillies. Hey, the Yanks forgot to include this white 8x11 piece of paper I'm holding in my hands. Surely that will increase the validity of the deal. Fuckheads...all of'em.

    - Nokes

    12:02 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    Yeah, hitting .400 makes me like him too. I think the Mets should sell high on him though and keep Milledge. Gomez will not be ready to go for another four or five years before he is firing on all cylinders in my eyes. He still has a ways to go and didn't breakout like I thought he might this year. He's been very good, but not great.

    I hope you are wrong Danny. There were some intriguing deals out there that makes tons of sense now and long term. Hopefully Omar pulls something magical off.

    Oswalt is under contract in '07. Fucking swell.

    12:12 PM

     
    Anonymous The Brooklyn Bum said...

    Oswalt in under contract for the 2007 season so it's not a 2 month rental like Schmidt and Zito would be.

    I am glad to see that Omar has started looking at other aces besides Zito. I'd much rather have Schmidt or Oswalt over Zito. When the playoffs come around and bats are a tad slower, I want a guy that throws 96MHP over a guy that lives and dies by his breaking pitches.

    Come 4PM we're either going to be left at the alter without having made a move of any significance or we're going to be lighting up WFAN's phone lines bitching about trading Heilman for Livan + Cash.

    12:16 PM

     
    Anonymous The Brooklyn Bum said...

    Whoa the trade rumors keep getting weirder and weirder...

    Just saw on ESPN (the network, not .com) that the A's are now the front runners for Soriano and a deal could be completed within the hour. If that falls through he's going to the Fish?

    What the hell is wrong with the world?

    If Omar calls someone up, regardless of the caliber of player Omar's asking for the price is always Lastings Milledge. If any other GM calls the price is a bunch of scrubby minor leaguers?

    Fuck this shit. 4PM can't come soon enough.

    12:21 PM

     
    Anonymous The Brooklyn Bum said...

    Not trying to spam, but when did Billy Wagner turn into Rick Peterson?

    Former Astros closer Billy Wagner is ready to give Mets general manager Omar Minaya scouting reports as the National League East leaders pursue a trade for Roy Oswalt. Wagner also has assured Minaya that he could help straighten out slumping closer Brad Lidge.

    “I told Omar, just put (Lidge) out there with me,” Wagner, the Mets' closer, said via phone Monday morning. “I’ll get him straightened out.”


    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/4083663.html

    12:31 PM

     
    Blogger Sean said...

    Hey Mike, we just swept the Braves in Atlanta for the first time in 17 years. Why lead with the Yankees 9admittedly great) deal?

    12:46 PM

     
    Anonymous Robb said...

    Oswalt, would probably make the Mets a legit WS option. I'd hate to part with Millege, but Oswalt is too good to pass up. The biggest problem with him is that he's a real country boy, not like Wagner who might hate NY. Otherwise that kind of talent doesn't come along often. He's won almost 20 for the last couple with anemic run support. Maybe the Astro are cleaning house to rebuild. If they move Oswalt and Clemens they could get a lot back.

    By the way why are FM and Millege still hitting first in the lineup. you'd think the Mets would put them in the 2 hole for further plate development, these guys should end up as rbi producers not table-setters

    12:55 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    A's for Sori? Wacky shit. Really, really wacky. Who would they give up? Is that a 3-way?

    Schmidt could be doable. I mean, really doable and not give up Milo.

    The Marlins would spin him for more prospects.

    I agree on the Mets getting ripped off. That's the way things are going right now for them.

    Mr. Billy Wags stepping it up!

    Sean, becuase there was more to say. You could talk about sweeping the Braves in one sentence.....

    Oswalt won't care. He don't have to live here.

    Robb, they are 1st to get more at-bats. The don't care about RBIs...numbers etc...Seeing more pitches in more at-bats. The same reason any decent pitching prospect was a starter historically. More innings..more work. That has evaporated these days with such specialized pitchers, but you get the idea.

    1:06 PM

     
    Anonymous MikeinSpain said...

    i don't understand - how in hell can Oswalt be on the market? Where is this published? Makes no sense to me.

    I vote for getting roberto hernandez back for a b-level prospect like lindstrom, and trying Heilman in the rotation.

    1:08 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    It was on SI.com. I don't particularly get it, but if they are trying to get Tejada and get a decent starter back they might be in for it. Who knows....It sounds crazy, but there have been a lot of Astro rumors that include dealing Lidge too. They have big time issues down there with offense and a thin system. If they feel their pitching can be OK down the line, they might want offense. Who knows.....

    I'd do Heilman to the rotation if it pushes Traxx out. Right now, I really, really want to see what Maine has.

    1:14 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Fucking wow.

    Boston Sports Radio WEEI has reported that the Red Sox are close to a deal that could send OF Coco Crisp and 2B Mark Loretta to Atlanta for OF Andruw Jones. The Red Sox would then send prospectos to Tampa Bay for SS Julio Lugo, who recently told his agent he has no interest in playing second base, which is where Boston would likely put him…

    - Nokes

    1:26 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    OK....I know I said I'd never trade Milledge for anything other than maybe Pujols, but...

    Oswalt and Lidge for Milledge, Maine, Heilman, a and minor league bat (maybe Carp) and cash.

    I think I might have to do that.

    - Nokes

    2:02 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    Boston is making some power moves. Not much else to say about that one. The AL East is becoming an arms race. Omar almost definitely needs a starter now to be able to face these guys in the WS...

    2:02 PM

     
    Anonymous John said...

    Countering what Buster Olney has recently reported through ESPN, Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe cites two major-league sources as saying the Red Sox are not involved in any potential blockbuter trades…

    2:07 PM

     
    Anonymous benny said...

    THat's alot of fucking money BUT... I can't blame the Yankees for that. THey're trying to win.

    THe teams you should be mad at are the teams that pocket the luxury tax money. Those dirtbags. I heard that the DRays got abouit $20 million in luxury tax, Pirates about $17 million, and the Royals $alot of million. THey don't use it to get REAL players. Instead its used for shitty veterans like Sean Casey and Reggie Sanders, or they just don't spend it at all.
    THose owners are what's wrong with baseball, not the Yankees.
    Shit, the yankees in my eyes are no scarier tha nthey were in May. THey don't scare me at all. THey'll be knocked out in the first round again.

    And as far as the Phillies trading Abreu up for nothing? I think that in the off-seaosn we're gonna have to wait to see what the PHillies use that $17 or so million on. If they get a real deal pitcher then the trade was worth it. If they spend on marginal shit players then shame on Gillick. THe money saved should be looked at more because its very important.

    I was reading some comments by many fans sitll shitting on Beltran. SAying "He's no MVP, Wirhgt has been the MVP so far" FUCK YOU WHOEVER SAID THAT.
    I was saying this to my dad the other day, with the way Beltran is playing/hitting, the Mets lineup is like Boston's.
    Beltran=Ortiz
    Delgado=Manny.

    But Jason MArquis can provide many groundballs.... oh what do you mean you don't gain points for that in real life?.....
    Jason Marquis is a glorified 5th starter. THe fucker gets run support and gets alot fo wins. He sucks ass.
    For Oswalt? Milledge, Heilman, anybody... who cares?
    FOr Schmidt? They want Heilman? they can have him and Gomez. That's it... he's still a rental. MAYBE if I'm feeling nice and get someone else back, put in Bannister.

    Sean, I van tell you why Mike didn't leade with the Mets sweeping Atlanta. It's because that shit is NOT news anymore! THe Braves have sucked since the beggining. I don't know why met fans were scared of them "catching up" please... and i habe no idea what Marcus or Andruw were smokiong but thier comments made them look like dilusional bitches!

    2:09 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    Ha, that's great John. 'Tis the nature of the trade deadline. I love how so many conflicting reports come out.

    Nokes, keep carp, the rest are gone. Fine by me, but I don't want Carp to be a throw in. Diaz can be.

    2:10 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    THey don't use it to get REAL players.

    The Royals, Pirates, Brewers, and Devil Rays pocketted 20 mill+ each last year. You have reason to be mad, but that doesn't mean they should just spend tons a guy when their team is not ready. I'm with you, but not 100%. The Brewers are the only team that was really in contention. Why should KC spend $12 per year a guy when they are so far from winning?

    I hope the Yankees will be knocked out early. I sure don't want to face them when Matsui and Sheff are back.

    Phillies are going after Zito. Period. They won't get him, but they are going to go hard after him.

    The Mets meat of the order is as good as any. AS GOOD AS ANY.

    But Jason MArquis can provide many groundballs.... oh what do you mean you don't gain points for that in real life?.....

    Good one. I love it.

    Also Sean (& Benny), you can read about that in any regular paper. If I just reported that stuff I'd be a crappier verison of the NYC rags. You really won't read too much about last night's game, etc. here. Maybe a sentence or two.

    2:16 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    Why is this Yankee ass asking these questions during a Trade Chat.

    Kevin (Middletown, NJ)
    John - how good IS Philip Hughes? Better than Pelphrey and Jared Weaver right now we hear in New York. If that is the case, then why is he in Double-A still?


    Hughes is good yes, but it's a really a toss up. Now go away.

    2:22 PM

     
    Blogger oSSyCoCoTaSo said...

    i dont know why mets fans care about this abreu trade.

    it makes the yankees worse. it makes our divisional rival worse. im glad it went down. the only thing about it that scares me is that gillick has more flexibility to build a team, which is something he knows how to do (toronto, seattle, baltimore)

    i also dont like hearing how cashman is a genius for making this trade. its a fucking salary dump and only the yankees can make the trade. wow you didnt have to give up proctor and his 4+ era. you shouldnt have to if you're assuming that massive ass contract.

    i cant wait til someone puts a mic in front of sheffield.

    cant wait til 4 so all this rumor bullshit can go away. we just had a weekend where beltran went ballistic and we're hearing about rumors. it's tiresome

    2:25 PM

     
    Blogger oSSyCoCoTaSo said...

    why is cashman excited about lidle?

    the guy sucks.

    listening to espn 1050 today and the BT dude on stephen smith's showt said that the yankees have the better bullpen in nyc.

    wtf is his ass smoking?

    2:29 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    I'm not feeling it. Abreu has one more year. It's not like he has four more years at that cash. The Phillies have more to spend, but need soooooo much. Outside of Hamels and Floyd (who was horrible), they have crap on their farm. They will chase Zito, but won't get him. They might have interest in Soriano, but they have to fight of lot of other teams. The dished him off to make their team worse for guys are like three or four years away MINIMUM. I think the Yankees stole him. It would have served them better to eat 1/3 of the total cash and get someone who will actually help them. They got nothing useful back.

    2:30 PM

     
    Blogger oSSyCoCoTaSo said...

    thats why im glad they made the trade. they get nothing useful (besides $$ flexibility). i'm glad my divisional rival made a bad trade

    and for all of abreu's #'s, what will he do for them that is spectacular? nothing. he plays shitty in the field and will prolly make them worse.

    2:40 PM

     
    Anonymous jake said...

    did gourriel defect or not? bp says it is unclear. benny what is the story?

    2:47 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    I feel you Ossy. I agree, I'm glad, but I'm sick of the Yankees getting something for nothing.

    Gourrield defected and he is trying to get amnesty in Columbia.

    2:54 PM

     
    Anonymous benny said...

    Thats why CVashman got skills, he just got Abreu for nothing, lol.

    Last year he got Chacon for 25 year old relievers in Single A, that's just skills. It doesn't matter anymore because this season Chacon has sucked bigger balls than the Braves bullpen trying to hold a lead.
    But still.... without his performances they don't make the playoffs last year.

    3:04 PM

     
    Blogger oSSyCoCoTaSo said...

    how is it skills to get a salary dump? i just dont see it. you shouldnt have to send players out when ur absorbing that kinda money from a desperate team.

    skills is bowden raping the reds.
    skills istrading seo for dirty sanchez.

    give props when its due. just cus u dont make a dumb trade (ie kazmir) doesnt earn you props

    3:11 PM

     
    Blogger oSSyCoCoTaSo said...

    holy shit. i fucking hate cab drivers!

    3:14 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Scott K. is on the DL with an inflammed rotator cuff/ I don't wish him any harm but it softens the blow a little.
    Oh by the way, for a rent a player and taking 100% of the salary we do not give up 1st rate talent no matter how good they might be.

    3:14 PM

     
    Anonymous jake said...

    Here's what was on BP:


    INF Yuliesky Gourriel, Cuba

    For a very short time it looked like Gourriel was about to become available on the free agent market. A link from a small Dominican news site spread like wildfire on Friday afternoon and seemed to indicate that Gourriel had defected in Columbia, where his team was playing at the Central American and Caribbean Games. While three minor Cuban players did defect there last week, Gourriel's status remains unclear, but according to one source, the nation's top player is in Cuba right now and did not leave his team. Some continue to report that he has defected; others say it was only a rumor. I'm hoping it's the former, because based on the three games I saw him play during this March's World Baseball Classic, I want to see much more. One scout told me that if he was draft-eligible in June, he would have been the first position player selected. If he has defected, the suitors will be the usual big names, beginning with the Yankees, and the price should get into seven figures.

    3:15 PM

     
    Blogger oSSyCoCoTaSo said...

    damn. i can see us getting raped now that dirty sanchez is under the knife

    3:15 PM

     
    Anonymous Coop said...

    http://www.rotoworld.com/content/HeadLines.aspx?sport=MLB

    Hey guy s- Dirty Sanchez is apparently out for the season

    3:18 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    Fuck cabbies..FUCK THEM!

    It does not soften the blow. Kazmir still is 1,000,000 times better than Zambrano and has done more.

    Jake...interesting stuff. Castro could be spinning right now until he gets a handle on it.

    Supposidly we got Roberto and Oliver Perez.

    3:19 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    Roberto Hernandez that is....they are just haggling about details at this point.

    I might love this deal depending upon who we gave up.

    3:19 PM

     
    Anonymous joe said...

    Why don't the Mets get limos or a car service for their players?These taxi cabs are killin us. Sanchez is done... That really really hurts. I'm glad he's alive and all, but for christ's sake!

    3:20 PM

     
    Anonymous brian b said...

    Man, this is just about the worst possible news we could have gotten. I'm crushed. Here's to hoping he recovers quickly.

    3:22 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    X-man to the Pirates. Not horrible, but a weird one nonetheless.

    3:23 PM

     
    Blogger oSSyCoCoTaSo said...

    whereare u hearing this mike? im down about sanchez.

    3:24 PM

     
    Blogger Toasty Joe said...

    The Mets have made a move they will hope will boost their suddenly lackluster rotation, sending outfielder Xavier Nady to the Pirates for left-hander Oliver Perez and reliever Roberto Hernandez, sources have told SI.com.

    3:27 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    I'm down too. It's everywhere. Benny told me. He said it's on SI via ESPN.

    3:27 PM

     
    Blogger Toasty Joe said...

    I think it's a good move, even though I like Nady. Roberto had a great year here last year, and in light of what happened with Duaner, Omar had to do it.

    3:28 PM

     
    Anonymous Coop said...

    This is unbelievable

    I am so bummed out now it's not even funny

    3:28 PM

     
    Blogger oSSyCoCoTaSo said...

    who the hell is gonna be in right field? loafing ass victor diaz? will perez go to norfolk?

    shit just got so murky for us in the matter of minutes.

    the baseball gods are angry with us mets fans

    3:31 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    Yeah, he had too. Milledge comes up and Perez goes to the shrink. Next two moves.

    3:32 PM

     
    Anonymous benny said...

    freakin' ESPN said that DIrty Sanchez is out for a "significant time" they didn't say the whole year. I can only hope and pray for that... I really hope ESPN is right about that.
    I only want it for a significant time. Hopefully he'll be back by October.

    3:32 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    Ossy, why not Milledge? Diaz is done with this team.

    3:32 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    Doesn't sound so bad.

    Shoulder dislocation, on the other hand, is when the ball comes out of the socket joint. This is followed by immediate disability and usually some attempt to relocate it by the patient. This injury should be promptly seen by a physician. Proper reduction of the dislocation is imperitive so that no further injury to the surrounding tissue, nerves, and blood supply occurs. The shoulder is typically protected in a sling for 1 - 2 weeks following injury. During this time, wrist, forearm, and elbow exercises are performed and gentle range of motion exercises of the shoulder are prescribed to decrease stiffness.

    Of course it could be severe, but I don't see why he can't be back in Sept.

    3:34 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    I don't see why he can't be back if it wasn't bad. Could he have damanged nerves and tissues? If the accident was that bad he'd probably be suffering more, though the entire story is not clear yet.

    3:35 PM

     
    Blogger Toasty Joe said...

    I read on cbs sportsline that he's out "at least one month," which obviously means he could be back before the end of the year.

    3:39 PM

     
    Blogger oSSyCoCoTaSo said...

    i didnt say milledge because now that our bullpen isnt our strongest trait, id figure they'd balance it by trading for a starter and strengthening the rotation. that would require sayin adios to milledge.

    they said sanchez came back to nyc for surgery. if thats the case, his ass is done. see u in port st lucie dirty

    3:41 PM

     
    Blogger Toasty Joe said...

    Player News

    Duaner Sanchez reportedly has a separated shoulder from car accident Sunday. It's not clear whether it's his throwing shoulder or whether he's out for the year. It was reported that he could be out for at least a month.
    (Updated 07/31/2006).

    Injury Report
    Shoulder - Out until at least late August
    (Updated - 7/31/06)

    3:44 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    No way you can trade Milledge now. No way.

    Anyone ever dislocated their shoulder? I don't think we'll here about the severity of this...

    Time to move Pelf to the pen, trade Heilman for a starter. Keep the rest the same.

    3:46 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    Thanks toasty....I'm a bit happier.

    3:46 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    Still stand by my previous statement. If he is coming back this year, still trade Heilman for a good starter if you can....Schmidt would fit the bill and Heilman + Lesser Player is worth a rental like that.

    3:47 PM

     
    Blogger oSSyCoCoTaSo said...

    no way u move pelf to the pen. what would that do. the dude has been a starter his whole life. all he could do is mess around and tear up that precious elbow.

    i predict that the shift of media focus will be on what milledge does from here on out (if he comes u

    3:54 PM

     
    Blogger oSSyCoCoTaSo said...

    we just traded our everyday right fielder for 2 months of a 40 yr old reliever. that hurts

    4:01 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    It won't mess up his elbow. That's the way people are have been coming up the bigs for years and years and years.

    The Mets have six starters and need a bonafide starter too. Pelfrey will be just fine. He's not made out of glass.....

    If Sanchez's return loops probable and the Mets are spinning Perez for more relief help, Heilman could still go. Oswalt and Zito appear to out, but maybe Schmidt is still in play. If you don't want Pelf to the pen, then fine. Sent him back down and still look for a starter.

    4:06 PM

     
    Anonymous benny said...

    I don;t get it, why are people here and every other mets blog "up in arms" abouit Nady being traded?...

    i feel bad for him.
    BUT think about it this way. Nady is replacable.
    His defense? hell yeah! Deffinitly repalcable.
    His offense? Probably. I think it can, he was a replacable guy.

    SUcks for him though, he's rewarded by being traded to Hell.

    I like the deal.

    4:07 PM

     
    Blogger Count Choculitis said...

    The best word for "Nady" is replaceable. O. Perez could be good one day anyway.

    4:12 PM

     
    Anonymous brian b said...

    Don't get too attached to O.P. looks like him and heath bell were traded to the Padres for Linebrink.

    sourcE: metsblog.com

    4:15 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    Preach on Benny.

    Perez and Bell for Linebrink according to Metsblog.

    Not bad for Omar when all is staid and done.

    4:15 PM

     
    Blogger Toasty Joe said...

    I am hearing the Mets may have turned around and traded Perez and Bell to SD for Linebrink. Discuss.

    4:15 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    Now I'm praying Heilman + Bannister for Schidmt or something.

    4:16 PM

     
    Anonymous John said...

    Brilliant move by Omar. Brilliant. Imagine if Dirty somehow makes it back for the playoffs. Damn.

    4:20 PM

     
    Blogger Toasty Joe said...

    Can someone fill me in on Linebrink? I don't know much about him - significantly better/worse/the same as Dirty Sanchez?

    4:20 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    Toasty, he was Dirty-like good last year, now he's been slighty better than Heilman or the same if you believe Heilman has pitched a bit better than his #'s. Great group of moves. I have a hard time thinking Heilman is still on the team.

    4:24 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    If Schidt has a no-trade, a deal could be done, but just pending his approval and such. The Giants have been quiet. They couldn't stand pat. They need to sell or buy and I have not heard them buy yet.

    4:24 PM

     
    Blogger Count Choculitis said...

    Yanks get Craig Wilson for Shawn Chacon. Another good trade for them.

    4:28 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    COMMENT 69!!!

    SCOTT LIENBRINK!!

    FANTASY PLAYERS EAT MY DUST!! 69!!

    -NOKES!!

    4:29 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    I know...fuck the Yanks. They are pissing me off.

    4:29 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    Nokes...I'm done. D-O-N-E....I need a closer.

    4:30 PM

     
    Anonymous kyle said...

    dirty on the dl makes baby jesus AND the rest of the "second best" squad cry.

    4:36 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    dirty on the dl makes baby jesus AND the rest of the "second best" squad cry.

    I love it...Kyle, I just picked up Bell if you want him. He'll be a holds machine. I'm looking for closers.

    4:38 PM

     
    Anonymous rick m said...

    If Sanchez gets knocked out on Saturday, you have to wonder if the Mets could have pursued the Philly salary dump and somehow wound up with Abreu & Cormier. For Heilman & Nady? I would've done it. Really, there's nobody who could replace what Sanchez has given us this year, but hard against the trade deadline, I think the Mets did okay.

    4:39 PM

     
    Blogger oSSyCoCoTaSo said...

    if the nats didnt trade soriano, bowden should get tortured by the method man and raekwon the chef.

    4:44 PM

     
    Anonymous Danny said...

    Michael -

    I have dislocated my shoulder. A shoulder separation and a shoulder dislocation are 2 different animals. A separation is actually better. It takes more time to completely heal, but it actually will completely heal. If you dislocate your shouder, you NEVER get full range of motion back, particularly if you do the surgery. So we should be happy it was a separation. but he is going to be out for a while.

    4:54 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    Thanks Danny....

    5:00 PM

     
    Anonymous The Brooklyn Bum said...

    Linebrink deal is being denied by the Mets front office.

    From Metsblog:
    …as best i can gather, RHP Heath Bell and LHP Oliver Perez are still on the mets, and RHP Scott Linebrink is still on the padres…

    …it appears both CBS Sportsline and ESPN News are pulling back any story that these players were traded, now that the mets are telling media that no other deals will be announced today…in fact, cbs changed the language in their column to read that the deal is pending, as opposed to completed as it initially suggested…


    Should either be confirmed for put to rest when the 5:00PM 20/20 comes up.

    5:05 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    It's on Baseball America too....

    5:07 PM

     
    Blogger Count Choculitis said...

    By the way, what the hell do the Pirates want with Xavier Nady? What possible use is he to them?

    5:08 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    Count, Littlefield is all over the place. Bad trade after bad trade.

    5:09 PM

     
    Anonymous The Brooklyn Bum said...

    Update:

    On WFAN the Angry Puppy just said that the Mets weren't able to pull off the Linebrink trade.

    Why is it that we were the only contender that didn't improve our team today?

    5:17 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    Gary Gillet from ESPN.com:

    GARY GILLETTE
    Big Losers: Phillies, Pirates, Nats. Big winners: Mets, Yanks, Rangers (including Lee deal).

    Mark (Bangor, PA)
    Will the Tribe just DFA Mota?

    GARY GILLETTE
    I expect they'll deal him for a pretty small return.

    Keith (Fairfax, VA)
    Don't want to be negative, Mets season has rocked, but Perez sounds like a younger version of Victor Zambrano. Roberto will be an able fill-in for Sanchez, but Omar could've gotten more for Nady if his hand wasn't forced. Agree?

    GARY GILLETTE
    Not really. Nady isn't that good or that valuable. Perez has a lot better upside than Victor Zambrano.

    5:22 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    Mets did good. Keep your chin up.

    5:23 PM

     
    Anonymous The Brooklyn Bum said...

    I'm not a OH NOSE! TEH SKI IS FALLING!!11!!ONE type of Mets fan, but I just don't see how we got better today.

    If you want to argue that we held our ground after losing Sanchez, I'll give you that, but we had pieces from within the organization that could have slotted into that role.

    We didn't improve our starting rotation, we didn't improve our bullpen, and arguable we didn't improve our lineup. Now I'd never say that Milledge will never be better than Nady, but at this point in their careers Nady is the better player. Nady is patient at the plate, goes the other way, and has some real power. Milledge can develop into a much better player, but during his month long stint he showed signs of brilliance, but didn't impress on the whole.

    That being said, Milledge is 21 and could very well be the best outfielder the Mets have ever developed from within the system. We're still going to the playoffs and are the favorites to head to the WS. And I'm happy to say that Ms. Cleo was wrong when she told me that we were sending Heilman to the Nationals for Livan.

    5:37 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    I didn't say you were....

    The Mets did improve. You are right, I would have rather seen a starter, but Zito and Oswalt didn't happen and outside of Schmidt, nothing good was out there. The lost Dirty and fixed their pen in short order and got Oliver Perez who throws gas from the left side (though we all know he needs work) or Linebrink, which would make the Mets bullpen the best by far. Milledge, Pelfrey, Humber, Niese, Maine, Gomez, and Fernando are here and did not get dealt in a bad deal. Omar didn't get ripped off.

    Let's just hope Maine and/or Pelfrey continue to make progress and Traxx is cut. Perez goes to AAA (if we have him) and starts trying to work it out. I think the Mets did well considering.

    5:42 PM

     
    Blogger Toasty Joe said...

    I'm no big Traxx fan, but you want him CUT? C'mon, Mike. Even if Pelfrey and Maine string together a few good starts in meaningless September games, they are both HUGE question marks to be starting in October.

    5:50 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    Toasty....check out Ishii's stats from last year. It could be argued that Traxx was worse. Ishii was cut. Traxx will bring the Mets nothing this year. His 7 game winning streak was a collection of bad to mediocre games. At least Pelfrey represents upside and the possibility to pitch in down the line. They have six starters right now.

    5:53 PM

     
    Anonymous MikeinSpain said...

    Oswalt was never on the market [only mentioned in a possible Tejada (see: Superstar) deal]. Zito and Schmidt would have cost us Millege, meaning they were impossible. So really, there were few obvious targets for Omar. I like Roberto Hernandez, and Oliver Perez has serious upside (though not this year). Perez needs to work out, bulk up, and work on his mechanics to be more consistent. He's a skinny fuck and falls all over the mound when he pitches, but 3 years ago had the best fastball/slider combo this side of Randy Johnson and struck out 10/9inn. I'll take that chance.

    6:04 PM

     
    Anonymous The Brooklyn Bum said...

    Omar is about to go on WFAN with the Angry Puppy.

    Should be interesting to see what he has to say.

    6:05 PM

     
    Blogger Anthony said...

    Mike, I agree with you. Today wasn't a bad day for the Mets. I like the trade. Just listened to Omar on the FAN. He made perfect sense. He HAD to make the move to get Bert to replace Dirty. Great pickup. Then you add on a 24 yr old lefty with big upside. Totally nothing like Zambsuckass. Nady was NOT that good of a ball player. He had mediocre skills at best. I just spent the weekend in Atlanta watching the Mets bury the Braves (which was FUCKING UNBELIEVABLY SATISFYING), and I have to say, I was so unimpressed with Nady. He's not a good defensive player at all. He looked terrible out there. Offensively, he's mediocre at best. Sure he has some pop. But the guy swings at everything, never produces in the clutch (at all), and just really isn't that good. It was a good trade and one that had to be done considering the tragic loss of our boy Dirty (FUCK!).

    But in my opinion, the best part of today (and the last two years) is that Omar once again has proven that he's not making idiotic, disastrous, desperate moves. No Mo Vaughn, no Jeremy Burnitz, no Alomar, no giving up KAZMIR. He hung on to Milledge and the rest of our young core. I LOVE that. When it's all said and done, I am very happy that Milledge is still on this team. I really hope he stays and grows into the team alongside Wright, Reyes, Beltran, Pelf, etc. Good stuff. And I would much rather see Milledge/Endy right now than X. I liked X, he was cool. But just very mediocre. I think Milledge/Endy are way better defense and add a jolt of energy.

    Too bad we couldn't get a premium starter. But the reason that didn't go down is because we didn't stretch. That's a good thing.

    Agreed on Trachsel as well. I'm so sick of that below avg suck ass pitcher. I'd like to see him gone too. Enough already.

    Let's get behind this team now because this is what we got. Mets...06', it's going to be a fun ride at the very least. I'm looking forward to it.

    6:34 PM

     
    Anonymous brian b said...

    97 comments, way too many to read. The loss of duaner and nady the acquisition of robo and OP don't really make us a better team as far as im concerned, more of a trade out of neccessity. Omar made it sound like he had something in the works then found out about Ole dirty bastard and had to pull the plug.

    6:51 PM

     
    Anonymous JOhn said...

    Bad news Benny. Yuliesky Gourriel went back to Cuba.

    7:05 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    It just seems that we over paid the buccos for a 41 year old reliever and a lefty who is fading in the west.
    I'm glad the linebrink trade did not go through he is over rated. so in the end we traded Mike Cameron for Hernandez and Perez.
    Lastings better get his tude adjusted or he'll be gone in a NY second.

    9:15 PM

     
    Blogger Condor Schmitt said...

    I saw Perez pitch against the Nats in Washington this year and I wrote here that we should trade for him back in May. This kid is damn good. When Dr. Peterson gets his hands on this guy he is going to be awesome. The movement on his uberfastball is amazing. His command is really spotty though and this is and will be his big problem.

    Gourriel did not de-defect.

    Too bad about Dirty but Hernandez is not a bad pick up, welcome home.

    Too bad Boston didnt get Andruuuuuuuw Jones! Man the Boobs would be deader than dead. No pitching and then we could pitch around Larry, too bad.

    Looks like we will be bidding on Zito AND Carlos Lee in the offseason. Even if Milledge plays fulltime then we are still looking for a LF.

    1:28 AM

     
    Blogger Condor Schmitt said...

    95 friggin coments. Metropolitans biggest day ever!!!!!

    1:29 AM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    "Looks like we will be bidding on Zito AND Carlos Lee in the offseason. Even if Milledge plays fulltime then we are still looking for a LF."

    Why no love for Endy? I think he's a pretty damn good outfielder, and he's cheap. Let's keep spending to the minimum. Do we really want to turn into the Yankees?

    7:21 AM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    There's a reason why Endy isnt an everyday player:

    Because he's not that good.

    He's good every so often and can fill in a pinch. But as your everyday player, not so good Al.

    No, I diont want to turn into the Yankees. That's why I say keep all good prospects and win with the kids.

    Man, yesterday was crazy but fun, excpet when we didnt get Lienbrink and I didnt get Liriano from Mike.

    - Nokes

    9:06 AM

     
    Anonymous benny said...

    It just seems that we over paid the buccos for a 41 year old reliever and a lefty who is fading in the west.

    THink about it... Nady wasn't THAT good. I mean when the trade happened, I was waiting for more names, lol.
    Me and Mike were guessing as to hwo else was included.
    I said Lindstrom, he said Mike Carp.
    We were both wrong... lol.
    Nady's defense=DEFFINITLY replacable
    Nady's offense=most likely replacable.

    11:43 AM

     
    Anonymous John said...

    Nady had a hot April, but hasn't really done much since. He hit 6 of his 14 HRs in April, and hasn't hit more than 3 in a month since. I am pretty sure we can make that kind of production up. Hernandez fills a need, and Perez could be a big surprise. This could turn out to be a pretty one-sided deal.

    Nady has to be just sick right now.

    12:14 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    I'd rather have Carp than Nady simply because we can plug Milledge in there now. Nady was a now solution, but not long term. The Mets came out smelling like roses.

    12:38 PM

     
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