"He's strong like a mule" ~ Pedro Martinez
There is something to be said for thanking someone for what they have done for a team and there is taking something too far.
It might have been a first in baseball history. An opposing player drove a ball over the wall, and not only did the home fans give him a standing O, but they demanded a curtain call. And Mike Piazza answered the call, popping out of the Padres' dugout to wave last night at Shea Stadium.
"You don't see that a lot," Piazza said. "The last thing I want to do is show up the other team. When they ask you do it, it's one of those things."
What happens when 49,979 fans cheer for you? You get pumped. When Piazza first came up last night, he got a deserved standing ovation. I get it. When he hit his first homerun, he got as loud of a cheer as I've hear this year and he received another standing ovation which was followed by a Piazza curtain call. The crowd went nuts. Inexplicably, the fans proceeded to give him another stand ovation after his second homerun to get his team within two runs. Fucking ponderous.
Look, Piazza meant a lot to this team, but there is little doubt in anyone's mind he wants to beat the Mets. When he got standing ovations from both homeruns, the first thing that ran through my mind was "what the fuck?". In the end, it all worked out well, but the Mets were entrenched in what was a close ball game. It went from nice (1st standing ovation when he got up) to bizarre (getting a curtain call as a player of an opposing team after hitting a homerun in a close game) to funny (as he was booed a bit in his fourth at-bat).
With how strongly this fanbase feels about big Mike, this all begs the question, should Piazza's number be retired? Personally, I like how the Mets are tough on retiring numbers. I do not agree they should be handed out willy nilly just because you were good for a few years or a good player on a very good team. When you retire a number, you are showing that player the ultimate form of respect by not allowing a player to ever don the number again. Is Piazza that guy?
He was the face of an organization coming off some horrible years and he did reenergize the organization and help power them to playoffs in consecutive years, but should he have his number retired? It's a really strange case with Piazza for me because he had some huge years and some injury problems later in his time with the Mets. That led to him having five tremendous years and three disappointing ones.
SEASON G AB R 2B HR RBI AVG OBP SLGInjuries hindered him late as a Met and he averaged 17 homers and 50 RBIs with a .265/.352/.455 line in '03 through '05. Before that, there is no doubt he was a monster from '98 through '02. He averaged a .309/.382/.581 line with 34 homeruns and 101 RBs from the catcher's spot, but is that enough to get him the ultimate show of respect by a team and have his number retired? Five monster years simply is not enough with no World Series wins. He was a great thing for this city and great to help this team out of some dark times, but longevity is still the team is key for me.
98-'02 662 2391 407 136 170 505 .309 .382 .581
03-'05 310 1087 125 57 50 150 .265 .352 .455
Totals 972 3478 532 193 220 655 .296 .373 .542
The real problem with Piazza is that he is a first ballot Hall of Famer. Prior to his time with the Mets, he was huge for the Dodgers with 177 homers, 583 RBIs, and a .331/.394/.572 line. He only netted 69 at-bats his first year so those numbers were accumulated over six years as opposed to eight years with the Mets. Piazza is a Hall of Famer, but he has basically split his career amassing huge numbers for two teams. The Dodgers have no intention of retiring his number and the Mets probably shouldn't either.
The tricky part is that Piazza will most likely wear a Met cap in the Hall of Fame. He'll wear a Met cap because he put up the majority of his homeruns here, spent most of his time as a Met, and made his only World Series appearance as a Met, though he made the playoffs twice with both teams. Piazza did his damage in both uniforms, but not quite enough on either to earn the highest praise a team can give a player. The aggregate of his numbers with both teams will get him into the Hall of Fame and he will be wearing a Mets cap in all liklihood. Could a player possibly wear a team's cap in the Hall of Fame without getting his number retired by that team? Ultimately I would have to say no. Piazza's number will eventually have to be retired, but this is just a weird situation. Whether or not the Mets feel the same way is another story and we will just have to wait five years after he retires to find out.
A former teammate told the Daily News that the feisty Lo Duca was one of a handful of players on the Marlins who took part in big-money poker games on team flights and hit the casinos on the road.
That's not really surprising considering millions and millions of other people like to play poker too. As far as 'big-money' games, he does make $6,000,000 per year. When I gamble with my friends we'll do a $20 or $40 buy in. It's all relative. This story is as pointless as all the character stories about Lastings Milledge earlier this year.
"I talked to Paul about the allegations and he told me, 'Yes, I've done some betting on horses,' which isn't illegal," general manager Omar Minaya said. "And we checked with Major League Baseball and he didn't do anything wrong."
When asked if the issue was over, Minaya said: "For me it is. It's a done deal."
Two immense talents that cannot get it together.
The sad saga of former Peabody High ace and Florida Marlins pitching prospect Jeff Allison , whose once-promising baseball career has been derailed by drug problems, took another disappointing turn Monday when, according to a Medford Police report, he suffered a heroin overdose.
According to the report, Allison, 21, was found lying unconscious in a T-shirt and shorts on the bathroom floor of a two-story home at 3 Hastings Lane Monday around 3 p.m. Heroin injection was cited as the cause of Allison's condition, and the report stated that police found a bag with heroin paraphernalia on the floor of the bathroom.
"I feel [terrible]," Floyd said, referring more to his mental state than the physical. "I've just got to think positive and try to get back here to play in August and September. Maybe all this will be forgotten and I can be a hero."
Michael Tucker has been called up and replace him on the roster.
Now Sanchez plans to stay with the team for the home games and rehab here while it is on the road. He said he will be ready for next spring training. In fact, he says he plans to start throwing near the end of October and then throw a few innings at some point in Dominican winter ball.
"He has an ability to pitch, he throws strikes and he's a good athlete," Minaya said. "And we take into account the person as well. He comes from a good family.
"Ability, a competitive edge and a good upbringing. If you have those three components you have a chance to be a major-league player."
He was looking for a seven-figure bonus, but it is unclear what he received so far. Last year, Stephen Head got $650,000 from the 62nd slot and college pitcher Matt Durkin received $950,000 as the Mets second round pick in 2004.
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Hey guys - saw the pics on the Geek, looked like a lot of fun. My cousin and I kept our eyes peeled for "Free Heath Bell" signs, but to no avail...
But all was not lost...I got to hob nob with Omar Minaya at the Diamond Club before the game. Between meeting him and putting my Diamond Club passes in the giveaway lanyard, I felt like Garth when he met Alice Cooper for the first time.
1:04 PM
I think the reactions can be summed up like this:
1st dinger - happy, standing O.
2nd dinger - not happy but not mad, but a feeling of him getting too comfortable.
potential 3rd dinger - No... just NO!
What's the difference between Lo Duca donig what he's doing and me going to the Belmont? Or playing the lotto and scratch-offs? Hop off his nuts.
People have to stop worshiping famous people/celebrities
I wonder who's dealer is better, Jeff Allison's or Josh Hamilton's? I need to try both thier shits and take the Pepsi Challenge.
Jeremy, that clown didn't even tell me he was taking pictures. I would have posed or something. In fact you barely see me in the pic.
And in case you were wondering Coop, Yes, I am a STUD MUFFIN!
1:14 PM
Woo hoo Benny!! Do you need a hug? LOL (((Benny)))
1:17 PM
Nice. Omar? I've seen him on Park Ave before looking busy.
2nd dinger - not happy but not mad, but a feeling of him getting too comfortable.
I still stay Pedro should have brushed him back. Intead? More cheese.
Jeremy took secrect pitcures yes. Very sneaky indeed.
1:20 PM
Yes, Mike, the one of you schlurping your beer should be hanging in a museum. Classic shot.
1:48 PM
Coop--That's a great, classic reference. Nice job!
I saw the pics as well. I couldn't figure out why nobody was looking at the camera. I guess now I know.
I think there's no question the Mets should retire Piazza's number. He will go to the Hall of Fame on the first ballot as a Met, bringing the total of Met players in the Hall to....2 (Bob Murphy is also in the Hall for the Mets as a broadcaster). He was a dominant player here for (at least) 5 seasons and the face of this franchise during a rare extended period of success. If that's not enough, the reception he got this week has to be among the warmest receptions every given by fans to an opposing player in any sport. Mike Piazza clearly is one of the most important and dominant figures in the history of the New York Mets, certainly the most important position player. This really is a no-brainer. I'm BookieD and I approve of this ad. Thank you.
1:52 PM
Best thing to do with OPerez is to de-emphasize stats and look for some consistency. Personally, I am still optimistic that he will find his consistency again, ... and if he does he makes the Nady deal way more palatable. Right now I've begun to wonder whether the deal was a bit of a blunder.
1:52 PM
Bookie, when you say "bringing the total of Met players in the Hall to....2" are you including Murphy, or not? Because if you are, Piazza would bring the total to 3. Don't forget this fellow (note the Mets hat):
http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/hofers_and_honorees/plaques/images/Seaver_Tom.jpg
1:57 PM
DG, I am too. I think this trade will be a steal, but he is not going to straighten it out this year. Get to gettin'. Start fixing him now, this is useless. I guess they are analyzing him to get a feel what he is doing right/wrong, but it's painful to watch him struggle.
Either way, the Mets were in a tight spot. It cannot be considered a blunder, though Nady would look nice right about now in the lineup. It was either strengthen the bullpen or keep depth in the outfield. They made their choice, we'll see how it plays out.
Murphy doesn't count as a Met.
I guess Bookied, but still. When Wright is done, we'll all see a guy who unquestionably gets his number retired. Piazza? Not sure it's a no doubter.
2:03 PM
Mike, WTH? Bob Murphy, not a Met? He's like a grandfather to most of us Mets fans. He may not have worn a uniform, but he was Mr. Met before Mr. Met was even an embryo.
2:05 PM
just saw this on bp:
5. Fernando Martinez, Mets
Age: 17.8 Hitting: .333/.386/.532 in 51 G (1 R/45 A-/5 A+)
Martinez was the big prize in last year's international signing period, as the Mets won a bidding war for his services with a $1.4 million bonus. Point No. 1: 17-year-old players are not supposed to be ready for full-season leagues. Point No. 2: 17-year-old players are certainly not supposed to be good enough to earn a promotion to High Class A by getting a hit in every three at-bats. Martinez is a ridiculous offensive talent with ability well beyond his years, but he still has room for improvement. He's coming into his power, which should at least be average, and while he's a free swinger, he gets away with it because of tremendous plate coverage. The only knock against him is his defense. A slightly above-average runner now, his instincts in center are lacking, and he'll almost assuredly need to move to a corner in the not-so-distant future. This is a still remarkable season for such a young player, and over the next couple of years we will figure out if he develops into an ideal number two hitter, or a middle-of-the-order power threat.
2:32 PM
and this:
9. Carlos Gomez, Mets
Age: 20.7 Hitting: .287/.347/.431 in 93 G (AA)
The Mets don't have just one toolsy outfielder moving quickly through their system, they have two. The organization has always loved Gomez's long body and outstanding tools, but strating him this year at Double-A seemed curious, if not downright wrong. Only 20 years old at the start of the year and coming off an uninspiring .275/.331/.376 campaign at Low Class A Hagerstown, his performance didn't merit skipping a level, and he was overmatched in the first half of the season, with his batting average sitting at .211 at the end of May when he hit the disabled list with a back injury. Whatever happened during that time off changed everything, as Gomez now has pretty respectable numbers thanks to a nifty .406 (41-for-101) average in July. While Gomez hasn't shown much power, scouts believe it's in him, and he's very close to establishing new career highs in doubles, triples and home runs with almost a month still to go in the season. He's a plus-plus runner with 95 stolen bases in the last two years, and he covers a ton of ground in the outfield while featuring a strong, accurate arm. Gomez still needs to refine his approach, as with 73 strikeouts and just 17 walks in 344 at-bats, he doesn't work well at the top of the order, and his speed has less value at the bottom. The Mets can afford to slow him down a little, and he might repeat Double-A next year.
2:33 PM
Coop, he didn't play for the Mets. He called the Mets games, but one Met is in the hall. I am an asshole, yes I know. I also wasn't the biggest Murph fan and I hate how commentators have to die before they retire or be almost dead. This TV commentating team is head and shoulders above any other Met commentating team in the past.
Good stuff Jake. You have to feel good about those two this year. Fernando is just a stud. He'll be in the bigs before Gomez unless an injury forces Gomez up. Milledge is seemingly more expendable by the day.
2:43 PM
If you guys were at the game, you probably missed Pedro's clubhouse interview with Chris Cotter during the game (I love that they're able to do this). I felt a little bad for Pedro, standing out there hearing the cheers after giving up a gopher ball. But he was very gracious: he said how great the NY fans are for showing love to Piazza, and how much it meant to him that the fans in Boston gave him an ovation. He was very cool about it, which is another reason to love Petey.
3:02 PM
'Garcia might a be good target if the price is right.'
Yeah, like a B-prospect. Realize he's lost 3-5 MPH off his fastball and his breaking pitches are no longer as effective. They are breaking WAY too early and hitters aren't biting.
What do you know about Mulvey?
3:05 PM
Petey is the man. Any of those character questions before he came over were clearly fake.
Definitely weird to have such loud cheers for the opposing team, but like I said, the Mets won. If they didn't, it would all look silly right now.
Exactly. The right price is a B- (that's B minus) prospect. I wouldn't even give Gomez at this point. They have to move him and we'll see how much interest there is, but I doubt anyone will be willing to give much up to get him. I think he could be had for cheap.
Mulvey? He was the best pitching the Norteast according to BA. He's got a ML fastball and a few good pitches supposidly. I'm excited to see what he can do, but I don't think he is anywhere near Phil Humber. Mulvey was thought of as a first round talent at some points so he could surprise everyone.
3:09 PM
BA has their best tools for the NL and AL out...
MOST EXCITING PLAYER
1. Jose Reyes, Mets
2. Albert Pujols, Cardinals
3. Carlos Beltran, Mets
I'd have to say it's pretty damn close to what I would think, though I'm partial to the hometown boys as 1 & 2.
More on Mulvey from BA:
1. Kevin Mulvey, rhp (National rank: 30)
School: Villanova. Class: Jr.
Hometown: Parlin, N.J.
B-T: R-R. Ht.: 6-1. Wt.: 170. Birthdate: 5/26/85.
Scouting Report: Mulvey, the top arm in the Northeast, could be a perfect fit for the Phillies, who have made an effort to target top local talent, such as Glen Mills, Pa., native Mike Costanzo-their top pick last year (second round) out of Coastal Carolina. Mulvey, who hails from Parlin, N.J., has been a weekend starter since he arrived at Villanova and has seen his stock rise this season even while posting rather pedestrian 3-7, 3.66 numbers. Scouts are impressed with his command of three average or better pitches: a 90-94 mph fastball, a slider that is effective against righthanded hitters and a curveball that some scouts like even better than the slider. He also has good feel for a changeup that can be used to get lefties out. Mulvey has loose, easy arm action and clean mechanics, and he has learned to eliminate distractions from umpires and defensive lapses behind him that tended to rattle him early in his college career. He always works around the zone and is not afraid to attack hitters. Mulvey doesn't figure to last past the Phillies at No. 37 overall and could go before that.
3:14 PM
Sounds like Mulvey's cieling is a #3.
No way I trade Gomez for Garcia. Isn't Freddy making 10M in 2007? Sheesh.
Thanks for the scouting report, Mike. Sounds like Brian Bannister with more velocity. Is that about right?
Emad
3:17 PM
Mike - you say po-tay-to, I say F-you. LOL - Dems just jokes, babe! No seriously, I think just because he doesn't put on a uniform, he embodied the Mets hopes, fears and dreams for so many years, he deserves it. But I see what you mean, so we just agree to disagree.
I skimmed your article today - but did you see the fluff piece on Mets.com for Dirty? This dude is peaceful on the inside, but outside - WARRIOR! (imagine doing the Hulk Hogan flexing for that)
3:19 PM
Hey, when we got Mike P. this team really sucked, he gave it some repectability and got us to the playoffs and world series, if it wasn't the economics of baseball he most likely would of still been on the team, I understand why the fans did what they did and looking from a far I thought it was OK, maybe I would of felt differently if we weren't 13 and 1/2 games in front.
3:33 PM
Yeah Emad, he's making some serious cash, which is why an Abreu/Liddle type deal is satisfactory.
Yeah, Bannister with more velocity and one less pitch. No cutter. I like that he can throw hard. The Mets really need to get more power arms up on the big league level.
F Me? I knew that was coming. Look, I've been critical of Murphy here before. I couldn't wait until him and Kiner were off. Yes, I know. I suck. I like Kiner's little one inning on friday deals, but the were way past their primes and the equivalent of watching a good baseball player refuse to hang it up.
Murph was the voice of the Mets, but not a Met. I think I threw out his bobblehead.
By skim you mean didn't read? It's ok. I'll let it go. I didn't not see the Dirty piece on Mets.com. There were a lot of Dirty Sanchez articles today, which is weird. Reporters from different papers/outlets seem to write about the same shit on the same days. I liken Dirty to superman. When he is not on the field, he looks like clark kent. Very unassuming. On the field? Balls deep. The man should wear a cape.
4:00 PM
Toasty, I was including Seaver. That's why I referred to Met "Players" with the caveat that Murph made the Hall as a broadcaster.
Don't loop Murph in with Kiner. Yes, his skills declined as he got older, but he was never the trainwreck that Kiner is. He was like a member of the family for many, many years. BTW, speaking of old broadcasters, I watched part of the Dodgers-Rockies game last night and listened to Vin Scully. Unlike the aforementioned Met game-callers, Vin has still got it in his golden years.
Regarding OP, and looking for a positive--at least he struck out 4 in 3-2/3 innings. I guess that's something.
4:17 PM
Murp wasn't a trainwreck like Kiners and his in-audible self, but was John Sterling-like in his missed calls.
I heard Scully is nasty. Still does games solo, right?
Yes, that is something. And he only gave up one homer.
4:24 PM
You've never heard of that? "You say pa-tay-to, I say F-you?" My colleague and I say that -- or we say "corn and peanuts," because you know, why bother eating them? (He also calls me Sanchez, and I call him Carl - as in "Hot")
Anyhoo, no I always "skim" through - wait to see if I see anything of interest. I know, please flog me. But be known, this is like a religion to me. I check every day :-)
Bookie - Vin Scully is the mack daddy. When Gary Cohen grows up, he should be half as cool as Scully is.
4:25 PM
You 'skim' everyday. I wouldn't read my grammatical disaster either.
No, I've not heard "You say pa-tay-to, I say F-you?", but I do love it.
4:37 PM
tjmc923@suscom.net
David Wright is being claimed as a front runner for MVP of the NL (although Beltran should be). His numbers compared to A-Rod's are nearly identical except for BA, yet A-Rod gets killed in the press and Wright should be the
MVP? This is a fucking conspiracy. A-Rod is having the worst year of his career
and still putting up Wright's numbers and all this yahoo Mets fans say they would take Wright before A-Rod. Stop smoking dope!
The numbers:
BA OBP HR RBI SB
Wright .308 .383 22 82 11
ARod .277 .379 22 78 10
Now think about how the two have been portrayed on ESPN or the radio. Pretty ridiculous. David Wright is not Big Papi or Manny people!!
tjmc923@suscom.net
4:45 PM
BP has some nice things to say about Fernando!
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=5411&PHPSESSID=e12910153d433377e3011f4ad3cfa3e6
5. Fernando Martinez, Mets
Age: 17.8 Hitting: .333/.386/.532 in 51 G (1 R/45 A-/5 A+)
Martinez was the big prize in last year's international signing period, as the Mets won a bidding war for his services with a $1.4 million bonus. Point No. 1: 17-year-old players are not supposed to be ready for full-season leagues. Point No. 2: 17-year-old players are certainly not supposed to be good enough to earn a promotion to High Class A by getting a hit in every three at-bats. Martinez is a ridiculous offensive talent with ability well beyond his years, but he still has room for improvement. He's coming into his power, which should at least be average, and while he's a free swinger, he gets away with it because of tremendous plate coverage. The only knock against him is his defense. A slightly above-average runner now, his instincts in center are lacking, and he'll almost assuredly need to move to a corner in the not-so-distant future. This is a still remarkable season for such a young player, and over the next couple of years we will figure out if he develops into an ideal number two hitter, or a middle-of-the-order power threat.
Emad
4:45 PM
'David Wright is not Big Papi or Manny people!'
But Sugar Pants is 23 and playing in one of the worst hitters parks in the league.
Do you have ANY idea how many HR's David would hit down the RF line at Yankee stadium? MY GOD. He'd be a lock for 40.
Emad
4:48 PM
Arod is a whiny bitch. Everyone (but Benny) loves to hate the guy and it brightens my life to laugh at him and his misfortune. Nuff said.
Fernando is a stud. In the bigs by 19? I think so.
4:59 PM
To be honest I dont care what you think Wright would do at Yankee stadium. We skipped him in the draft because he is going to be a flash in the pan. You only wish he were as good as A-Rod.
Most exciting players? Are you kidding me? Reyes? Maybe he is the second best shortstop in NY but he cant carry Jeters batting gloves. Kid is a punk! Jeter is the king of New York and will always be the most exciting player in baseball. Reyes = upstart punk kid.
Want to see a great NY team? look in the Bronx for players not in Queens for drag.
tjmc923@suscom.net
5:00 PM
Swept the Padres...wooooofukinhooo. Try sweeping the White Sox or even winning a series from the Red Sox.
5:04 PM
Priceless.
5:07 PM
What was LoDuca thinking? I will never rag on a guy for getting a little extra but his wife is seriously hot! H O T hot. Alright she was 19 but dude, dont crap in the nest especially when your wife is smokin'!!!!!!!!
Who is this Yankee fan loser? Why is he in our house spewing crap? Why do you keep leaving your email address?
Seriously dude, you looking at a world of hurt if you keep this shit up.
5:09 PM
'Fernando is a stud. In the bigs by 19? I think so.'
I'll take it a step further. I predict Milledge will not be on the team when Fernando comes up.
Emad
5:12 PM
Dude, are you for real? Those stats aren't even close buttwipe.
If "Arod" is the king, and Josey can't carry Jeter's jock strap, then answer me this - why do most Yanks fans I know want to trade Arod and Jeter straight up for Josey and Sugah?
Because I'll tell you why - Josey and Sugah are the faces of NY baseball. Deal with it
5:29 PM
PS I believe Jose Valentin - mr Ground Round himself - has a higher BA than ARod at this point. I think he was batting - what, geeks? - .280 last night? How wrong is that?
5:34 PM
this guys just a blowhard anyway. i'm sure he didn't know who the yankees were circa 4 world series rings. he obviously can't respect good baseball when he sees it if hes going to say that david wright isn't any good and is a flash in the pan. he's trolling and we are responding, although i am too so call me a sucker. i dont doubt that the AL is the stronger overall league but the mets can only play the teams it reads on the schedule. we split with the yankees and in all rights should have swept them at home. the yankees are clearly a playoff contender as always but please just because you are insecure as a male doesn't mean you should take it out through baseball.
p.s. i've signed you up for about 15 porn sites so i hope you have a good spam filter, thank you come again.
5:35 PM
Playoff contender? I think you mean world series favorite!!!! Looooooossssaaaaa!
NO FRICKIN WAY!!!!!! No way do you get Jeter or AROD for those two pukes! What losers have you been talking with. They dont know crap...just like you!
Great spam filter....do your worst! You'll just be frustrated like you are when Wagner blows his load and your lead!!!! HAAAAAAAA
Lo Duca is gonna take it up the ass, like Farva does.
tjmc923@suscom.net
5:40 PM
I wes looking at www.norfolktides.com at their roster and next to Mike Pelfrey it says - DL. Am I missing something. Whe did he get hurt?
Adam
6:01 PM
The numbers:
BA OBP HR RBI SB
Wright .308 .383 22 82 11
ARod .277 .379 22 78 10
Thank you for proving that D. Wright at age 23 is already about as good as A-Rod. We appreciate it.
6:13 PM
In the first linked article:
"Michael Tucker was the veteran outfielder summoned from Class AAA Norfolk to replace him on the roster. Ex-Yankee Ricky Ledee also arrived for his first game. The 32-year-old ex-Yankees outfielder had been claimed on waivers from the Dodgers on Tuesday."
Why they gotta do that? I mean, honestly. He hasn't played for the Yankees in 6 freakin' years, and they mention it twice!
8:38 PM
Pelfrey hurt? What the fuck?
Milledge might be gone. I predict he goes in a package for Oswalt.
Kurt, you aren't used to that yet?
Signing him up for porn sites probably won't matter being I doubt it's his email, but he's free to come here. There is some entertainment qualities in his dellusions.
10:17 PM
Red Sox were swept by the Royals. That must mean, by the transitive property of baseball, the Royals are a better team than the Red Sox and a FAR better team than the Mets.
'I predict he goes in a package for Oswalt.'
Um, you're suggesting he still has value to a team like the Astros, who have Hunter Pence and the Orioles, who have Nick Markakis and a decent Corey Patterson? I have to believe Milledge's stock has plummeted.
Watching Javy Vazquez pitch is like watching old people fuck...
Emad
11:12 PM
Ok, maybe more wishful thinking than anything, but Pence and his noodle arm will be in left and the Orioles already showed interest in Milledge with the three way deal, if that is revisited.
I think Milledge can still find a home in center in houston and with a package of some young Major League ready starting pitching, it might be good deal for them.
11:41 PM
'I think Milledge can still find a home in center in houston and with a package of some young Major League ready starting pitching, it might be good deal for them.'
I hadn't heard Pence's arm was that weak. Besides, don't they have Willy 'Who needs Beltran?' Taveras "playing" CF.
Are you thinking Milledge and Bannister would be enough for Oswalt? Realistically, it sounds about right.
Emad
11:50 PM
Oh Tavaris...I think they would be OK with not going with him.
Not just Milledge and Bannister. It would have to be more, but that is a great foundation. Oswalt is too good for it to be just those two. It should be noted that the deals for Mulder and Hudson were comperable with the Hudson deal being worse and the Mulder deal being slightly better.
12:05 PM
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