The Not So Great Debate
Joel Sherman did a piece yesterday in regards to John Maine stating his case to be the fourth starter behind Pedro, Glavine, and The Duque. It is something that most of us probably agree on and many of us are not exactly looking forward to Steve Trachsel making any October starts.
Trachsel, whose 371 career starts without appearing in the postseason (though he started for the Cubs against the Giants in a one-game playoff for the 1998 NL wild card, considered a regular-season game) are the most among active pitchers, is the only one of the 44 qualifiers to have walked more hitters than he has struck out and his 4.11 strikeouts per nine innings are the second worst. That might be tolerable if Trachsel were a groundball specialist. He is not, having allowed a homer on average every 62/3 innings.
The real crux of the problem is that Trachsel probably has no place starting in the playoffs with the Mets given options and will probably not be effective out the bullpen. He is known to take a while to warm up and like a Tom Glavine, does not really translate well into the bullpen. I do not subscribe to the theory that he should be the de facto fourth starter in the playoffs because he cannot make it as a reliever while John Maine would probably have no issues making the transition to the pen, but the best four guys should be giving the Mets the best chance to win.
Who have been the top four? A good way guage that is by game scores. I like game scores because they can break down each game and quantify each start. Every pitcher starts off with fifty points and can add points with a strikeout, every out recorded, and every inning pitched over the fourth inning while losing points for walks, runs, earned runs, and hits allowed. Between John Maine, Steve Trachsel, Tom Glavine, Pedro Martinez, and The Duque, the average game score to date is 51.12.
John Maine has topped that in 67% of his six starts, Steve Trachsel has topped that in 22% of his twenty-three starts, Tom Glavine has topped that in 42% of his twenty-four starts, Pedro Martinez has topped that in 72% of his eighteen starts, and The Duque has topped that in 50% of his twelve starts. Granted John Maine's sample size is smaller, but it still should be noted that he topped the current five starters average game score four times in six starts while Steve Trachsel has done it only five times in twenty-three starts.
Pitcher VORPThough Trachsel pitched well last night and is only one win off the NL lead, it still seems like a mistake to start him come playoff time. My main fear is that regardless of performance the rest of the season, the Mets will go with their veterans. Pedro and Glavine are givens and with The Duque's playoff experience mixed with his success as a Met this season, three spots are taken barring disaster. While that last spot may seem unimportant, it is. The Mets have one starter over 40, another starter with a 40-year old arm, and one starter who could be 60 and they will be using four starters. When you are playing in a short series, every game counts. Though Steve has no playoff experience, he is still a 'crafty' vet and we know the Mets and Willie's tendency to side with age. The Mets seem to be getting more confident when it comes to trusting their youth and I seriously hope that trend continues.
Pedro 27.3
Glavine 26.8
Darren Oliver 26.0
Dirty 18.5
Feliciano 17.6
Mr. Billy Wags 17.4
John Maine 16.4
Trachsel 12.1
Hernandez 11.2 (includes his bad starts with AZ)
Heilman 9.7
Bannister 9.7
Heath Bell 4.2
Mike Pelfrey 0.1
Royce Ring 0.1
Howard Johnson's days with the Mets look numbered. Sources say the Triple-A hitting coach was denied permission to attend his son Glen's competition in a Wilmington, N.C., tournament for rising high school seniors that's heavily scouted by major-league teams. Johnson went for a few days anyway, and when he returned for Norfolk's game at Buffalo on Friday, he was told to go home.
I absolutely wanted HoJo and Gary Carter in the mix for some type of Major League coaching job with the Mets next season and hopefully this does not hamper that. Aside from that, HoJo should have been allowed a few days off. What damage could him not being around for a few days to coach a bunch of big league retreads have done anyway?
To pay the full amount without deferral, "is like charity" said one member of the Met hierarchy. "We love Darryl, we've tried to help him out, but we're not in the business of giving money away."
Strawberry shouldn't have had any money problems at this point in his life, but him and Doc still remain two of the most disappointing stories in the history of baseball.
If Reyes isn’t going to be a .370 OBP guy—and keep in mind, he might get there by batting .320 rather than walking 60 times—he’s still a valuable hitter, just miscast in the leadoff spot. A shortstop who hits .290/.345/.465 with 30 net steals—a realistic, even pessimistic expectation for Reyes over the next few years—pushes his team towards a championship and is well worth $12 million over three seasons. To return to a name I mentioned earlier, Reyes is a better player than Rafael Furcal was at 23, and Furcal went on to produce five wins a year from 24-26.
.290/.345/.465 and 30 steals pessimistic? Absolutely. I've said it before here, but Reyes in the two spot would be ideal with a .370-type OBP guy leading off. The kid can produce. The fact that Reyes and Wright will be here for so long makes grown men giddy.
Phil Hughes beat the B-Mets with five shut-out innings of baseball. Willie Collazo got roughed up for fourteen hits and six runs in six innings.
The St. Lucie Mets played two yesterday and Fernando Martinez went 2 for 3 with a run scored and a double in the Mets game one victory. In game two, things only got better. Martinez went 2 for 4 with two runs scored, a triple, his second high A ball homerun and two RBIs. He is now batting .350 in his short stint with St. Lucie.
His wife however, seems to be a soft porn star.
But the Mets star's estranged wife - whose family described her as a good Christian - posed for Playboy three times and even starred in a soft-core porn DVD titled "Latin Lovelies" for the magazine.
In the made-for-video flick, the sexy San Antonio native and another woman pick up a guitar-toting guy, then take him back to a cabin where they strip naked and dance for him.
I just cannot respect that. Soft porn? If you are going to do it, go all the way. I'm sure Paullie Ballgame's lawyer will try and use this to tear down her character. Paul may still say he loves her now, but it will probably get ugly.
I'm glad Mike is happy and doing well in San Diego and he looked very happy about the great welcome he received. Parting ways worked out best for both sides.
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I think Willie will make the right decision. Willie's not dumb. He's been to the "dance" before. No loyalty here.
If the maine Event is pitching the way he's been pitching, Traschel to the bullpen.
Darryl Strawberry would use that money for crack and leather belts to whip his wife with.
Very random and nobody really cares but the guy in Hagerstown Zac Clements USED to be a catcher. He's pitching now. So whatever, keep an eye on him, who knows what happens with converted pitchers.
Regarding that picture of Piazza... why do the reporters ALWAYS choose the gayest pose he does. I know they took more pictures than that but they chose that one, they're horrible, lol.
HAHA! THe NY Daily News is fucked up, how they gonna show Sonia's YEARBOOK pictures? haha. Assholes man...
And I'm in there, I'm going. Gonna wear my boy Beltran's jersey. I'll TRY to be there by 5:30.
12:03 PM
Toasty JOE you are my hero, I'm gonna post a video, Joe reccomended on his blog.
The shit is hilarious.
Phillies Fire Sale
12:16 PM
Benny, the best part about Clements converting from catcher to pitcher is that he is a freakin' knuckleballer.
I wish I could go to Geeks in the Bleachers tonight, but I live in VA and a weeknight game makes it impossible. Do it on the weekend next year, and I am there.
As per Fernando (I did this over at MetsGeek too):
Miguel Cabrera is a good guy to compare Fernando with. He was also signed to a huge contract as a 16 year-old, and came over and started balling at 17. Let’s take a look at his career path:
17, GCL: 219 ABs, .260/.344/.352, 23 BB, 46 K
17, A-: 32 ABs, .250/.294/.313, 2 BB, 6 K
18, A: 422 ABs, .268/.331/.382, 37 BB, 76 K
19, A+: 489 ABs, .274/.333/.421, 38 BB, 85 K
20, AA: 266 ABs, .365/.429/.609, 31 BB, 49 K (wow)
20, MLB: 314 ABs, .268/.325/.468, 25 BB, 84 K
So Cabrera didn’t even get to high-A until he was 19 years old. But then he spent a whole season there. And then he RAKED Double-A at 20, earning his promotion. Fernando is well ahead of Cabrera right now (at least a year), check this out:
17, A-: 192 ABs, .333/.389/.505, 15 BB, 36 K
17, A+: 20 ABs, .350/.381/.850, 0 BB, 3 K
Commence being VERY excited about him.
12:25 PM
Hey dawg - are you driving or taking mass trans? I'll be on the 6:14 out of Penn with my cos. Which should get me there ca. the time you are.
Anyway, for those of you eager to venture out in the stadium...Ill be in Mezz, section 14, box 572C, seat 7 (or 8). I'm wearing a long brown skirt, pinkish top, short brownish hair (got sick of being blonde recently) and carrying a BIG black bag!! I might be wearing my black Mets cap too. Oh and I'll be there with a dude who has a shaved head.
Hopefully I'll see you guys. This blog is like a religion to me :-)
Oh and for those of you smart asses -- I'm a CHICK!!! :-p
12:25 PM
Yeah, hilarious stuff, no?. I wish I could take credit for creating it.
12:26 PM
Does this make sense? If The Duque and Trachsel start back to back games and both do poorly, would it not be beneficial to have long relief from Oliver and Maine. Also, you have to take in to account we may be down in a series if Pedro and or Glavine don't hold up their end of the bargain. That's a whole bunch of pressure on the third and fourth gusy. I realy hope this doesn't happen, but The Duque has had some tough first innings this year and if we use Oliver as long relief, I'm not so sure I want to take a chance with a young pitcher the next day. We would have no one available to work, let's say 5 innings if he then needs relief. The other way, Trachsel could start on a short leash. A home run, a series of walks or a couple of runs and he's gone. Just an idea...
12:32 PM
I'm going mass Transit.
Taking the E train then the 7 It takes about 40 minutes to get there, not too bad.
By car shit, I get there in 10 minutes. But no car today.
In the playoffs Oliver doens't HAVE to o long relief. I wouldn't be scared to put him in a 7th inning jam. Oliver is good.
12:43 PM
If the maine Event is pitching the way he's been pitching, Traschel to the bullpen.
Does he even do anything for the Mets from the pen? I doubt he can be good. You'll have to tell him two innings before that he is going to warm up. He can't get ready in 20 pitches, which is why he was pissed about moving to the pen last year when he came back, which he ultimately didn't have to do.
I saw Zac C. pitching and I thought he was a catcher, but then I told myself no way. Wacky shit happening down there.
Danny, awesome stuff with Miggy. Very scary how good Fernando can be and Tabata and Guerra too. Martinez could be in the bigs at 19 if there is a need. He'll probably start in AA next season at this rate.
Coop, you should join us in the nose bleads. Of course, I don't know where we'll be, but that's besides the point.
Toasty, take credit. Say you made it....
if The Duque and Trachsel start back to back games and both do poorly
How about you put Maine in and try and get a good start rather than try and protect yourself from a bad one. Trachsel could go long if a someone is getting lit up early.
Duque has been solid tough. He has laid up a stinker or two, but the rest have been solid. I have faith in him at this point and he'll be sufficiently rested.
12:53 PM
Hey guys - check out ESPN. There is a cover story on the hate-hate relationship with ARod. Check it out, looks good
1:19 PM
Danny, what Fernando is doing is EXTREMELY impressive. He's quite probably the youngest player in the FSL and doesn't seem overmatched. I've said this before... I think Milledge is expendable.
Emad
2:10 PM
Here is what I love. For those that live in the NY area, you are certainly aware that both baseball teams are having excellent seasons. Yet, while listening to sports radio everyday and watching ESPN, all I ever hear about is how great
the Mets are and they are the toast of the NL and blah, blah, blah. Yet, heading into tonight's Mets/Phillies game the Yankees would be 1.5 games ahead of the Mets if the teams were in the same division. I'm not even getting into injuries, but can everyone stop talking about how fucking good the Mets are and realize that they just play in a shit division. The Yankees split 6 with the Mets this year and the Red Sox absolutely destroyed the Mets for 3 straight games. I am sick of this shit! The Mets still suck, always will, and I hope they make the series so the Yankees can crush their dreams just like 2000. Get off the Kool Aid Met fans and realize your team is still second best in this city!
3:10 PM
We know we need him. But still, man, you have to admit, for a so-called great player, he f---ing sucks. To be honest with you, we f---ing hate him.
You have to love it.
Emad, I don't see how is not the youngest player in the FSL. Guerra is the youngest in the SAL league so I cannot see anyone being younger than Fernando there.
Milledge is expendable if he brings back pitching this off season like Roy Oswalt.
The Yankees split 6 with the Mets this year and the Red Sox absolutely destroyed the Mets for 3 straight games. I am sick of this shit! The Mets still suck, always will, and I hope they make the series so the Yankees can crush their dreams just like 2000. Get off the Kool Aid Met fans and realize your team is still second best in this city!
You are right bro. Not sure why we even bother.
3:19 PM
Is this dude for real?
3:24 PM
Mos def.
3:40 PM
Coop, I've learned a long time ago you cannot reason with Yankee fans...the fact their payroll is $220 mill+ with Abreu and Lidle fails to compute. They still thing all teams are created equal. With $100 million more invested in the team, you'd thing they would be better, right? But they aren't. Fact is, the Mets are just as good as the Yankees. They were a Billy Wagner meltdown away from sweeping the Yanks. The Mets played the Red Sox when they were white hot. The Mets had no issues with Toronto. They live a sheltered life in Yankee land where only one team exists. They are brainwashed.
3:48 PM
Here's my question - How does the fact that the Mets split 6 games with the Yankees held your argument? It would seem to me that shows that the teams are close to even.
3:53 PM
Like I said toasty....don't even bother. Yankees rule, Mets suck.
3:55 PM
Milledge is the youngest player in the NL, unfortunately, he's LOOKED like the youngest.
You know that feeling you get when you watch a rookie? Well I don't get that with Milo. I totally got that with Pelfrey, and his sinking fastball that was impossible to lift. I got that with Reyes and his over .300 BA in the bigs at age 20 and his incredible legs. I certainly got that with Wright, for any number of reasons.
But what does Milledge do well? I mean, what can he do that makes him special? He's not extremely fast, he doesn't have much power, and he doesn't have the ability to make consistent contact with the ball. Oh, he can do all of those things, but none of them extremely well. That's swell, however, if I was good at everything but unexceptional in math and science, I wouldn't aspire to be a physical chemist.
How is Milledge any better than, say, Melky Cabrera? What has Milledge done in his entire minor league career to warrant such acclaim? His power numbers are mostly derived from doubles and his really high batting averages don't correlate with his skill set. Howie Kendrick's do. Why? CONTACT ABILITY. Milledge doesn't have that.
All the bat speed in the world doesn't mean anything if he can't lift the damn ball and strikes out in 25% of his PA's.
Please don't hurt me...
Emad
3:58 PM
OK, I just thought it was kind of odd to say "You suck! We only lost 3 out of 6 games to you!"
3:59 PM
Emad, I have to say that Milledge has shown a lot. He has the ability to break games open, but he's not going to be as quick as Wright. Toolsy guys like Reyes and Milledge take longer. He is born with tons of natural ability and that bat speed is sick. I think he'll be a game breaker. His power will come. When he hits the ball, he punishes it.
I don't think Cabrera is as good or will be as good as Milledge when they both mature.
Kendrick is a special player who hits for high average. I think Kendrick is a much better hitter. A much more refined hitter. Milldge is hurting with all the curve balls, but he'll get better. Have faith in Milledge...
That being said, trading him in a package for Oswalt will make me pretty happy too.
Toasty, it's very odd. I guess he's a glass half full and thinks the three games they won were more important than the three games the Mets won. He's spamming a lot of Met sights though...he did it to Metsgeek too. It's a conversation starter at the very least.
4:08 PM
Emad - I won't hurt ya :-) But I do respectfully disagree with you.
I see what you mean - about Lastings not blowing the competition away...just yet.
All I can say is - give him time, let him adjust. yes, we all got "that feeling" with Pelf, but be honest - didn't you get that feeling with 'Stings first time around? I know I did - but I also knew he was green and had to grow up. Unfortunately for him, he has to grow up - FAST.
Just be patient - remember, DWright had a period of adjustment once too. He also didn't have everyone breathing down his neck, replacing a popular player in the clubhouse and with the fans. I don't believe we've seen all Lastings can do. I truly don't. If anything, that's the only thing I'm disappointed with so far :-)
4:09 PM
PS Mr Met & Toasty - let's just remember - the Skanks have to remember their own division than worry about the Mets. Worry about Detroit, Chicago and Boston first, then worry about Mets.
4:10 PM
For the record, I didn't get that feeling from Pelfrey. As advanced as he is, his secondary stuff was A-ball level. Really ugly.
I'm pulling for Detroit to make it to the World Series. I think the Mets have the best shot against them.
Toasty, the more I think about that 3 of 6 statement he made the funnier it is.
4:19 PM
I got a good laugh out of that line too - yeah, so what does that prove? The Yankees *suck* as much as the Mets do? So be it.
I have a humongous crush on Sean Casey, and was squealing like a little girl yesterday when he got a base hit (said so on the scoreboard). Plus, boyfriend was a Tigers fan in the 80s, and he said he would have to shoot himself if they had to play the Mets in the Series (I asked him to name one player besides Verlander...he paused...he's officially a Mets fan)
I guess cause I saw Pelf his first game, I might have had delusions of grandeur. But i still saw he was able to refine his craft while he was here. I'm stoked to see him again in the majors. Think he's the real deal
4:26 PM
'Toolsy guys like Reyes and Milledge take longer.'
See... i'm a very patient person. I can wait years if necessary, so long as a player shows flashes. Milledge has shown flashes, so I suppose I should be happy. I guess it's a hole in my philosophical swing.
My opinions on Milledge could be attributed to fear. I see Milledge as 'gravy' and don't want him fucking up my beautiful team with his hackery and arrogance.
'He is born with tons of natural ability and that bat speed is sick. I think he'll be a game breaker. His power will come. When he hits the ball, he punishes it.'
But he doesn't hit the ball hard very often; it's a ton of ground balls. I see him developing into more of a line-drive hitter. His swing doesn't produce much lift, IMO.
'I don't think Cabrera is as good or will be as good as Milledge when they both mature.'
Perhaps, but I would like to point out that Melky is on Milo's BP Comp list. Should a stud prospect really have MELKY BLEEPING CABRERA as one of their comps?
'Kendrick is a special player who hits for high average. I think Kendrick is a much better hitter. A much more refined hitter. Milldge is hurting with all the curve balls, but he'll get better. Have faith in Milledge...'
If Milo was a middle infielder with an above-average bat, sure. I just don't think it's the best allocation of resources playing a CF in RF. Maybe the Twins have an extra young arm they can trade...
Emad
4:33 PM
Emad - Fernando is the man. No doubt.
As for Lastings, I think Michael hit it on the head. It's the bat speed. His approach is not that refined (although it is getting better, which is a good sign). I actually thought Lastings was going to be faster. I bet Endy would beat Lastings in a foot race. But he has pretty good speed. Obviously the arm is pretty nice too.
He has tools, but can he play? I think he can, but it is going to take him a little bit of time. Just like it took Jose (although the potential, at least to me, oozed out of Jose more than it does Lastings).
4:33 PM
Sean Casey
Casey? Say it ain't so. He's a big oaf.
He can't name anyone past Verlander? Ouch. Definitely not a fan. Not even Pudge? Conflict with your boyfriend aside, I hope the Tigers make it. We'll all be celebrating the 3rd Mets World Series.
I see Milledge as 'gravy' and don't want him fucking up my beautiful team with his hackery and arrogance.
I agree on this one. I don't mind a little arrogance, but too much is bad. We don't know which way he'll be going.
His swing doesn't generate lift, but he'll pepper the wall and can still hit 20+ a year with a swing like that. His line drive swing will also enable him to hit for a high average when he gets better on the junk.
but I would like to point out that Melky is on Milo's BP Comp list.
With 100 at-bats, that's fine. Two years from now, I would guess they won't be on each other's comps. Milledge will be a far better producer.
For the record, I'm not against trading him, but you better get value.
4:40 PM
Fair enough, Danny, but I don't see what all the bat speed fuss is about. Shouldn't his contact rate would be in the 88-90% range? Kendrick and Sheff have great bat speed, but they make consistent contact. El Profesor's upside is high for this very reason. Consistent hard contact is an excellent sign of future potential.
*throws hands in the air, conceding he is too stupid to understand*
'His swing doesn't generate lift, but he'll pepper the wall and can still hit 20+ a year with a swing like that. His line drive swing will also enable him to hit for a high average when he gets better on the junk.'
I can see that as his upside. I just fear he'll never get there.
Anyway, are you leaving for the game soon, Mike?
Emad
4:50 PM
I'm not even getting into injuries, but can everyone stop talking about how fucking good the Mets are and realize that they just play in a shit division.
If you don't talk about the injuries, we won't talk about the payroll, :-)
And don't say the Mets are in a shitty division because nobody bothered you in 2002, 2001, or heck, even 2000, where the AL East looked like the NL East of 2005.
Instead of tlakign shti to Met fans concern yourself with Boston pal cause if you don't make the playoffs this season you and alot of Yankees fans talking shit are gonna look like assclowns. ATLEAST wait until October.
4:51 PM
Hopefully. Just waiting on my friend to get into NYC and we'll head out. I'm still shooting for like 6:30.
4:57 PM
Mike - call me a sucker for big, oafish Irish guys who play baseball ;) (note: boyfriend is not a big oafy Irish guy who plays ball)
I'll be at TGIF's in the LIRR lounge getting a happy hour draft before the train. Anyone can join me in there. Same description above applies :D
Have fun tonight everyone. And Behave!
5:02 PM
Emad...in regards to Milledge, I don't think he's on the same level of Reyes and Wright. If the Mets get a good deal for him on the off season that HELPS their team, they should jump at it. The Oswalt one that was on the table was a brilliant one. I'm not in love with the guy though I think he can be very very good. I do agree that he does retain more value in CF because he won't produce as much as a COF, but this lineup has plenty of pop for years to come, which is why I'm not really worried about it at all.
5:04 PM
Mike - call me a sucker for big, oafish Irish guys who play baseball ;) (note: boyfriend is not a big oafy Irish guy who plays ball)
Ooops!
Does he play in a wooden bat league in North Jersey? Or softball. I'm looking for a league up here.
5:05 PM
i was unaware that 1 series against a boston team with an ailing ace defined us as a team. I like how you come to that conclusion yet the fact that we handled the yankees fine totally eluded you. So basically losing 3 games to the sox makes our team awful, but almost sweeping the yankees at home (billy wagner aside) and splitting the season series there makes us the 2nd best team in town.
I got it... rock solid logic, you and Maddog should get together sometimes, i think you two would get along.
12:59 AM
Yeah, I played with wife in Scrabble 6 times and beat her 3 times. I fucking own her.
Go Yankees.
11:08 AM
you may not own her, but you bet her as much as she beat you so it says you are about equal? are the red sox that much better than the yankees? The standings say the yankees are 2 wins better than the sox, so if we split with the yankees and the yankees are better than the sox, but the sox swept us, the logic = we suck and boston rules?
I'm just not following this logic in the least.
12:24 PM
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