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Tuesday, March 13, 2007

Realistically Speaking

Ah, the fifth starter race continues on meaningless inning after meaningless inning. We know a few things about Spring Training statistics and we know that putting too much stock into those numbers would be a bit silly. The only people who actually have a gauge on what those stats mean are the scouts and coaches that watch the games and even then they could be misleading and not a great indicator of future performance. Tyler Yates and Brian Bannister dominating in pre-season ball offered very little indication as to what they would do during the regular season. Of course Mike Pelfrey is far from Bannister or Yates, but you get the point I'm trying to make.

In similar fashion, Chan Ho Park's performances aren't exactly a perfect barometer for what he would be able to do over the course of the season. Park is for the most part a known quantity and should be a decent fifth starter if given the opportunity. A 4.60 ERA with a steady five + innings per game while giving the Mets a chance to win is what I would expect from him. He was late getting into the action and is better than he is shown in his few innings of work.

What does it all mean? Well, not much. If Pelfrey finishes this spring with a sparkling ERA while Park continues to struggle, it probably will not weigh in all that much come decision time as the Mets probably know what they want to do already. We will continue to see increased scrutiny on each of their starts from the media, but really, the only mitigating factor here is Pelfrey's performance on the negative end of the spectrum. If he pitches badly, like Humber has been, he will get a one way ticket to New Orleans. If he pitches well, he will continue to keep his name in the discussion just because it would be impossible to ignore him completely.

I figure the Mets will be very hesitant to stick Pelfrey in the rotation from the start unless something forces their hand in the form of a complete and utter implosion by Park, which I do not see happening. I wrote about the topic last week in regards to letting the best man win and while there should be evidence supporting Pelfrey as the best man, they are still spring numbers which are for the most part not something to put much stock in.

Sure Park still had trouble in his last start, but as long as he keeps showing flashes of effectiveness with his repertoire, you would have to think that it is his to lose. He would have to not have the ability to complete any of his starts and he would have to be continually ousted early to miss out. Which is the right move? Well, the Mets would probably like to limit Pelfrey to 160 innings during the regular season. The Mets could still monitor Pelfrey's innings and pitches in the bigs, but when you are in the business of trying to win games, those things might get pushed to the side at times.

Limiting his innings would be much easier to do if he started the year at AAA even with the Mets not needing a fifth starter right off the bat. After the talk of how much residual effect Verlander's 200+ innings in '06 is having on him in '07, the Mets are going to steer clear of overworking their future ace. Though the Mets would not be relying as heavily on Pelfrey as the Tigers did with Verlander, they are going to be cautious and bring Pelfrey along more slowly. There is little doubt where Pelfrey will end up by mid-season, but it is hard to envision him at Shea in the beginning.

I had written this and conveniently enough, Rob Neyer's chat touched upon the issue of jobs won and lost in the the spring and Pelfrey's possible inclusion to the rotation.

Slew (Seattle): Do people actually win or lose jobs in spring training, or do good/bad performances just provide cover for decisions that have largely been made in advance? Thanks.

SportsNation Rob Neyer: It's an interesting question. I would guess that every spring, roughly 50 Opening Day roster spots are determined in spring training; mostly relief pitchers and fifth outfielders and infielders. But you know, a lot of those guys are back in the minors within a month or two.


...and

Jay (NYC): Rob, who gets the nod for the 5th starter in NY: Pelfrey or Chan Ho (out of the) Park

SportsNation Rob Neyer: Considering how well Pelfrey's pitched in camp so far, it looks like he's got the inside track. If he can keep throwing those hard sinkers for strikes, the job should be his.


Of course Marty Noble and Rob Neyer know more than me and think Pelfrey has the inside track, but as much as I would like to see big Mike on the team when they go North, I just do not see it.

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  • Quiz time.

    I got eleven right and four wrong for a 73%. I have no reason to call myself a Mets fan....or a man for that matter.

  • Shawn, if you hit 30 homers this season, I'll grow a pair of ovaries.

    Green, his batting stance adjusted and his swing corrected, is convinced he will have a productive season. But he isn't sure what that term translates to in terms of home runs while playing at age 34, batting seventh and playing home games in a "fair" ball park, which Shea is.

    "Is it 30 home runs or 40? I don't know," he said.


  • Reyes hit his third homer of the spring, which leads the Mets. Suck it Sickels and your dumb as projections. Reyes is one is lifetime talent that is going to get much better.

  • Alay has to find a new home. There really was no place on the team for him and he was just taking up a roster spot with no shot at making the team and sitting far down on the depths charts.

  • It could be a huge year for Bonds in terms of hitting some tremendous milestones. The chances of him getting 159 hits is virtually nil, though not impossible.

  • How the fuck do you not sign a kid with two first names?

    The player, José José, a 16-year-old outfielder, has drawn the interest of a number of baseball’s big-money teams.

    The Mets were among the first teams to have a private workout with José. On Monday he drove one ball over the wall in right-center field and hit an assortment of line drives. But he also had his share of foul balls and routine grounders.


  • Rob Neyer is still pretty high on Dice-K.

    Joe (Whitewater,Wi): Will Dice-K live up to the hype???

    SportsNation Rob Neyer: I'm sure I'll get this question a few times in every chat between now and Opening Day, so here's my first offering of my standard answer . . . Matsuzaka will be one of the 10 best starters in the American League this season. But whether he's second-best or 10th-best, I wouldn't want to guess.
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    43 Comments:

    Anonymous Danny said...

    I am overly familiar with what has held Park back in the past few seasons, but it seems so far that his stuff has been good, but his command has not. Given that Park says he has been hurt the past few seasons, it wouldn't be a big surprise for his command to suffer with additional movement/velocity.

    So I think Park is on the path for the #5 spot as well, since I anticipate his command getting better, and thus his results will follow. Park's curveball and splitter have been very good this spring.

    It's just too convenient to start Pelfrey in AAA, hold his innings down, and continue to have him work on refining his slider. His last start, I saw him generate 12 ground balls in 13 hitters. Now, Pelfrey is not striking anyone out, but he is an incredible groundball machine. He is going to be great, and he is going to be great this year. But not right away...

    Reyes is ridiculous. Wright is having a good spring too, which is nice to see. He has been going the other way very nicely, and focusing on hitting line drives. But Reyes is just... wow.

    Milledge keeps doing good things. Today, he manufactured a Reyes-type run with an infield single, stolen base, and then scored on a 2-out Endy single. His next at-bat he worked a walk. But Green also hit one 450 feet off Sabathia into the wind. I hope Green really has discovered something, but I remain skeptical. Either way, Milledge is ready and if Green falters, he will help the Mets in a big way this year.

    11:53 PM

     
    Anonymous Danny said...

    That first sentence should read "I am NOT overly familiar..."

    And I just took the test and also got 11 right and 4 wrong. I may not need Green to hit 30 Hrs to grow ovaries after that.

    11:58 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I got a 93. I got the question about Pedro's number of starts wrong. Unbelievable.

    Emad

    12:05 AM

     
    Anonymous Scott said...

    Sorry to see Soler to go but it is for the best. I think we would all have been happy had he been the new El Duque...best of luck.

    Rock On

    12:15 AM

     
    Anonymous benny said...

    I honostly see Park just straight up winning the 5th roster spot, and I see it happening for as irrational reasons I think and "want" it to happen. I want to see what Park can do personally and unlike Park, Pelfrey ain't going nowhere...
    He's striking people out which I'll take as a big +.

    Shawn, if you hit 30 homers this season, I'll grow a pair of ovaries.

    Mike, you are the FUCKING MAN! and that's EXACTLY why Adam Rubin has you linked on his webpage/blog.

    Alay Soler to the Baltimore Orioles. That was an easy ass guess.

    José José, is also spanish singer. Then there's also my cousins Juan José and José Francisco. The first name thing man, its cool.

    12:17 AM

     
    Anonymous DG said...

    I'm going to swim against the current here and predict that Pelfrey will get the fifth spot but that Park will make the team. Honestly, I think that Park has shown the potential to be a great reliever over the last couple of years, and in this case, he projects as the surest rotation replacement should Pelfrey falter or someone else get hurt. Carrying Park as a reliever might also allow the Mets to start the year with 6 relievers instead of 7.

    As for Pelfrey and his absence of strikeouts, I have to note that he barely struck out more than he walked last year. If Pelf is to become a strikeout pitcher (as he was in college) he'll need further refinement of his secondary pitches. That will come in time. He still represents a completely different type of starter for teams to have to handle in a series with the Mets, and I think his power stuff should give him the edge over Park.

    I fully expect that Alay "I'd gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today" Soler will end up with the Nats, not the O's. (The Dumb Rays would probably take him if the Nats don't.) Sure, the Duquette aspect makes it a sensible guess, but no team has a worse rotation situation than the Nats. In any case, I was glad the Mets cut Whimpy when they did; I'm sure Omar's scout-eye is looking toward the waiver wire. Of course any player out of options would have to be re-exposed to the waiver wire in order to get him to the minors.

    Milledge is making his case for most grown up soph on campus. He'll still likely end up with the Zephyrs (see, I do know their name, just choose most days not to use it!). But the hype seems to be changing from "most likely to get traded" to "expected to start in 08" which speaks volumes of the change he's gone/going through.

    I still think Green will produce, but no way he hits 30 homers! 25 would be sweet. A little more hustle in right field would be better too. If he struggles he'll likely becomes the key lefthanded pinch hitter of the bench as well as the backup first baseman.

    Cerrone at Metssprocket had a link to someone's posting about Julio Franco the other day that deserves a bit of consideration. Namely, can the Mets afford to keep Franco on a five person bench? I have to say that I really love JF. On a team that is a publicist's wet dream - you've got Latinos, African Americans, Jews, Jews for Jesus (Newhan - okay, that is much less of a pub's wet dream), Young Studs, and battle trusted vets - here's one guy who defies time, the ultimate novelty and still a deserving player. Is he deserving of being here? That's open for debate, but an injury is the only way the Mets don't keep him.

    6:03 AM

     
    Blogger oSSyCoCoTaSo said...

    did anyone hear that arod interview yesterday. the guy cant win. he spoke the truth about his option. he said that he wants to be a yankee for the rest of his career but if he gets no love, he'll be out.

    of course all they report is the "no love so im gone" part and make the guy seem like an ahole. i hope he has a mvp year and goes crazy in the playoffs (while the rest of the team stinks it up). then he should take his services elsewhere

    6:24 AM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Pelfrey only makes the team as a fourth starter. It makes no sense for him to be the fifth starter in April when he would barely get chance to pitch. He will go to AAA and pitch every five days on a count. Chan the Ho gets the job by default, but I predict he will fall out of grace by mid May and Pelf comes up and sticks. Rookie of the year is not out of the question.

    Same for Greenie - I'll bet Mike’s ovaries that he sucks it up by mid May and we see Lastings in RF. I believe the hype that he got the message and grew up this past off season and he will be an above average hitting and fielding corner outfielder for the rest of the year. But what the hell do I know? I'm banished to Cincinnati and Josh Hamilton hype all day (which IS a good story). What would I do without you guys?!

    Metsfanincincy

    7:58 AM

     
    Blogger John said...

    Mike, I think you're getting a little too worked up over John Sickel's Crystal Ball. He explilcitly states that
    "The Crystal Ball is an "educated opinion"...not to be taken TOO seriously and mostly for fun."

    As I stated in the comments to the CB, if Reyes matches his projection, he will be near or at the top of just about every all-time Mets offensive category. I'll take that any day.

    John

    9:24 AM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    Good stuff Danny. I agree. His stuff has shown flashes and the Mets are going to roll with him even if Pelfrey looks decidedly better overall. I prefer Pelfrey, but in the end, having Mike work on some stuff a bit while watching his innings/pitch counts could help us later when he is making starts in the playoffs.

    RE: Milledge…it’s only a matter of time for him. He is a game changer…he is going to help this team in a big way, but sending him to AAA is his path until an injury or he just hits his way past Green, which I expect to happen.

    And I just took the test and also got 11 right and 4 wrong. I may not need Green to hit 30 Hrs to grow ovaries after that.

    Preach on brother. I felt like I should have known more about the ones I got wrong. It was just last season and I watched every game!

    Emad…impressive bro…impressive.

    Benny, I might name my first born José….boy or girl.

    DG, that is an interesting though…Park to the pen…I never actually thought about that and it would be a viable option. However, with Sosa as the long man already, is he necessary? Wouldn’t Smith, Heilman, Wagner, Feliciano, Shoewnweiss, Sosa, and Burgos be the better pen? Without Duaner, they need a 2nd set up man and I don’t want to see Sosa do it.

    I want to see Pelf strike out more, but it’s not something I’m obsessing about. High contact rates scare me and unless you are Brandon Webb, you need to. That being said, Pelfrey’s sinking fastball is not Brandon Webb’s sinker as he features a nastier sinker and has different kinds. He just is getting used to his secondary stuff after throwing 75% fastballs in college. That stuff will come along and we’ll be thankful his elbow has such little wear and tear.

    Soler to the Nats? They need WHATEVER they can get so I can see that.

    RE: Milledege again…I 100% agree. He has a new view on things and he’ll have more fun if/when he figures everything out. I love what is going on here.

    The thing about Green though, it’s not just about hitting .280 with 15 homers (which I’m assuming will happen), but it’s his defense. The Mets already have a weak right fielder, I just would rather see Milledge, who should be able to produce as good as him, and his glove in left. Yes, he had some fielding mishaps, but he can play the field.

    As for Franco, we knew that last year. He was going to usurp a spot while not being ideal. Having a guy who can ONLY play first these days is useless. Green can play first, Newhan can….it’s not necessary to have him, but he’s been good. When it really becomes and issue, then I’ll complain. But for now, he’s here.

    Ossy, I feel bad for A-Rod a teeny bit, but the truth is, he brought this on himself. A) by taking that contract he assumed a HUGE obligation and was due to draw a lot of attention. Us little guys look at stuff like that and what he says and puke a little in our mouths. B) he needs to not be so thin skinned. Easy for me to say when millions of people don’t boo me at work, but as a professional athlete in NYC, the media and fans are relentless. He should have stayed away if he couldn’t handle it. You hear about guys that can handle NYC all the time…he’s not one.

    Metsfanincincy,

    I don’t have ovaries yet….

    HA! All Hamilton all the time. I love the kid’s story and am pulling for him, but if he does anything useful this year I’ll be shocked.I wish everyone did what was best for the kid and put him at AA. Cincy is good for him with that support system, so the D-Rays should just let them keep him This isn’t about baseball with this kid anymore. They have 100 outfielders in Tampa and the chances of Josh succeeding are so slim. Don’t sweat losing him or make Cincy send you some young, hard throwing reliever from the low minors. I really, really hate Tampa. So much talent….so poorly run.

    9:25 AM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    John...john john! I'm really not that worked up about the CBs, but I just liken it to playing with Barbie Dolls...it's all make believe.

    I do agree that it generates some solid discussions, which is what the utmost point of the CBs is and the the point of all these blogs are. And guess what? The crystal balls have generated discussions here many, many, many times, which is the desired effect of them.

    So while I say they are pointless, I may not 100% mean it. There is part of me that derives enjoyment whether making fun of them, agreeing with that projection, or just using them as a general point of discussion...in this case, how good can Reyes be! In his case, I think pretty good. And yes, he would have good career numbers should that CB come to fruition, but I think when all is said and done, Reyes will be one of the best. Seriously...dude is that special in my eyes.

    9:29 AM

     
    Anonymous jake said...

    mike can you email me that bp story please?


    thanks

    10:42 AM

     
    Anonymous scott said...

    Hey Mike give me your work phone number and I'll call up and cheer or boo you at work depending on how I like your posts.

    The A-Rod interview was a little weird. I can't ever se him being loved here in NY...he is just too cold.

    When they mentioned Jeter he just clammed up and said "I won't discuss Jeter." OK, fair enough. But then that jerk Russo asks another Jeter question right away! A-Rod comes across as cold but Russo continually PROVES he is a loser!

    11:02 AM

     
    Anonymous scott said...

    Milledge won't be ready for the majors until he wanders the wilderness and re-emerges. He is a snot nosed kid who is going to have to go through a prolonged struggle to mature. I hope Omar sends him down to the minor camp early and shocks him.

    11:06 AM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    Hey Mike give me your work phone number and I'll call up and cheer or boo you at work depending on how I like your posts.

    You son of a….I’m going to smack you with one of my ovaries.

    As for Milo, I though he looks like a model citizen so far. Nary a story from the media, and you know how they like to beat the ‘Milledge is a bad kid’ horse.

    Jake, so far I’ve been snuffed in regards to the story…..if someone has BP access, my email is metropolitans@optonline.net

    11:20 AM

     
    Blogger Coop said...

    Mike I could not agree more with your assessment of ARod. Did you see the headlines today? He's all like -- if you don't want me, I'll leave. WTF is that shit about? Does he WANT to be booed out of town? Like you said, with all the money he makes, the entourage he has to get around him, his private jets, etc...he needs to let this stuff roll off his back. no wonder he needs a team paid-for shrink. As a wise man once said - douchefuck.

    Lastly about Lastings...I love him and am so glad Omar didn't trade him for a bag of balls. He has to start over Greenie, no question. But of course, we're going to have the proven veteran over the "shaky kid." F-Willie!

    12:27 PM

     
    Blogger metdynasty said...

    Did anyone here notice a Met named Lino Urdaneta?

    He has pitched really well this spring: Mid 90 fastball, great command, great breaking ball. He makes batters look so bad it's not funny. My impression so far is that he is a Burgos type of pitcher with very good control. I know it's still early but I just can't hide the excitement over this guy. I don't know where he came from. It's hard to believe that he is only a non-roster invitee. Then again, I didn't know Feliciano before 06 either.

    A good read on Pedro if you want to get an idea how dominating he was in his prime: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_Mart%C3%ADnez

    Pedro is not done. I can feel it. He is a true warrior and warriors just don't go out this way.

    Thanks for the quiz, mike. I got 12 correct just making the cut for hall-of-fame.

    1:57 PM

     
    Anonymous benny said...

    metdynasty you being serious about Lino Urdaneta?
    I just know him as the guy with the infinite ERA. He was picked up by Omar only to need TJ surgery. Omar kept him on the roster for a long time so I guess Omar does like him.
    Didn't think he'd be any good though. I'm not excited yet but hey whatever, I'll keep an eye on Lino.

    2:01 PM

     
    Anonymous dancin' dg said...

    Mike, an innings dependant pen can totally exist with two men able to put in innings, but I must note that Sosa and his homer tendancies have options left. Burgos looks more and more like an inning every two out of three days type of pitcher who will occasionally implode. Smith brings the right handed specialist aspect and deserves a roster spot though he may not get it. His not getting it may mean that 'John' Pelfrey gets the fifth spot.

    I wouldn't underestimate the advantage of having Rick P working with Pelf in between starts as well as when he's on the mound. The Mets offense affords that sort of luxury, and while Rick Waits at AAA with the Zippers is no slouch, the real mindset/philosophy jacket comes from Mr. Mullet.
    Worst case scenario he takes a little trip to N.O., Park takes his rotation spot and then comes back when he's had a little more airtime. That fine's if he shows weakness, but he's been very strong this Spring, major league strong.

    Of course, he may not technically be on the Mets opening day roster in any case if the Mets decide to let him hang around St. Lucie (I cannot remember when the AAA season starts) until the Mets actually need a fifth starter.

    Lastly, post Tommy John, Lino Urdinata (sic?) has serious stuff. Until now I thought he was Alay Soler's hamburger buddy, but I was impressed when I saw him pitch last night (my night, your work hours!). Overall he seems not quite ready for the show but close. The Mets have no shortage of depth in pitching, but the relievers outshine the starters for now.

    2:18 PM

     
    Blogger metdynasty said...

    thanks benny.

    Yes, I was serious about Urdaneta. I knew about his infinite ERA but I also saw what he has shown so far this spring.

    When you get a chance to watch him pitch next time, check out his stuff. You will know what I am talking about.

    Maybe that TJ surgery has paid off.

    2:27 PM

     
    Anonymous joe said...

    I wish I had found this sooner...i didn't know it was possible to watch the spring training games on mlb gameday.
    http://www.themmets.com/articles/2007/03/get-gameday-for-spring-training/

    3:08 PM

     
    Blogger Itsmetsforme said...

    Shit this post gave me visions of John Maine on the mound surrounded by a veritable grave yard of stars of the 90s grampas holding hands and circling around him. Chanting we used to be good! Jeez, where are David Wells, Greg Maddox and David Lee Roth?

    Toothless, Oldukie, Chan Ho's up, Pedro and Maine...
    and pray for the earlybird special!

    I heard they replaced Buntran's tennis ball machine with shuffleboard court, and the scouting reports are all in large type editions. Mets pitchers will be wearing shawls (by Starter of course) when they need to run the basepaths during a game. And be careful young mets, that gatorade cup just might have someone's teeth in it. They might need to revive the bullpen cart...to help these guys off the mound!

    ...

    i'm a rookie of the year! fuck multiple choice quizes like that. they don't reflect true knowledge, such as what i've got in my noggin.

    how many of Petey Martinez's midgets/friends died last year?

    who both danced in the sprinklers and slipped in the clubhouse?

    which bench loser turned starting 2nd bseman went 0 fer 300,000 to start the season?

    how many internetsters picked my blog as the greatest internet innovation since they put naked ladies on the thing?

    How many court appearances did Mike Difelice make last season?

    who has the most homoerotic nickname of all the mets?

    along which foul line did Lastings milledge slap hands after a hr?

    Whose chair did Ralph Kiner inadvertantly soil last season?

    On average, how many boilermakers does Keith Hernandez down during a given broadcast?

    How many hours did it take for Fran Healy's sports jacket to burn after he was relieved of his broadcasting duties?

    Which clubhouse boy is Mike Piazza reported to have made a pass at last year?

    What is Alay So(long)ler's favorite dip for chips?

    Who in the clubhouse broke Steve Trashells prized bottle of 1958 Chardonay?

    How many times did Willie lock himself in the equipment closet?

    Which major league team is represented on the feety pajamas worn by Tom Glavine's children?

    What brand of stationary does Billy Wagner prefer for his anonymous notes?

    Now that's trivia!

    4:22 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    This A-Rod thing gets sillier and sillier. He needs to maintain radio silence and just play.

    Metsdynasty, he is an intriguing one for sure. Coming back from injury and can throw the ball through the backstop…no chance he makes the bullpen, but sick arm. Speaking of the bullpen, the Mets have some depth to trade from and I’m looking at you Aaron! Everyone needs relievers and the Mets have a lot of young effective ones. I think Aaron should be dumped once Sanchez comes back healthy.

    You don’t remember Feliciano from his first tour with the Mets before he went to Japan? Another ‘lower your arm to 3/4ths success story.

    Ah, you made the cut? Still though, you can’t feel good about 12…can you?

    DG,

    I’m pulling for John Pelfrey as well. I’m going to call him John Pelfrey for the foreseeable future so I can have some idiots email me or leave comments about how his name is Mike.

    Joe,

    Solid stuff….I forgot all about the game today!

    4:25 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    Dude, I don't know what's worse. Me not knowing more than five or Steve Trachsel owning a prized bottle of Chardonnay.

    4:30 PM

     
    Anonymous DG said...

    From Anthony Rieber's blog at Newsday (3/13):

    The Mets finally reached their breaking point with Alay Soler this morning and released the Cuban defector less than three years after signing him for $2.8 million. While it is unusual to cut loose a player with two weeks remaining in spring training, one Mets official referred to Soler as a "lost cause" and indicated that the front office was fed up with him after a lackluster performance Monday in Viera. Soler allowed two runs in 1 2/3 innings, including a solo homer to the Nats' Ryan Zimmerman, and team officials also were upset with his velocity, which maxed out in the low 80s.

    Asked about the move this morning, pitching coach Rick Peterson said, "The inconsistencies were consistent." Still, it was only a week earlier that manager Willie Randolph praised Soler for showing up at camp in better shape than previous years, even mentioning that he was on the stationary bike next to him during Randolph's morning workouts. But Soler had an 8.22 ERA this spring, and the Mets came to the conclusion that his performance no longer merited a spot on the their staff -- at any level.

    LOST CAUSE!!!!!! Ouch!

    4:50 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    no longer merited a spot on the their staff -- at any level.

    Alls he needs to do is find a scarecrow that needs a brain, a lion that needs some courage, and a broad with an ugly dog and make a charge up the Yellow Brick Road and he might be able to turn things around.

    5:08 PM

     
    Blogger Itsmetsforme said...

    "The inconsistencies were consistent."

    it's getting to the point where i can't tell real Rick Peterson quotes from made up ones. Guy talks out of his ass more than Jim Carrey used to.

    6:01 PM

     
    Blogger Itsmetsforme said...

    ok since i wasted the rest of the afternoon putting together "the rick peterson challenge"; i hope you'll visit me and try it out!

    7:19 PM

     
    Blogger Coop said...

    If you guys haven't checked out Itsmetsforme's questions, do it now. Even the stuff I know Soul glo didn't say -- he could have said it, easily!!

    8:54 PM

     
    Anonymous sidd finch said...

    'His inconsistencies were consistent'. That reminds me of something Dale Berra said about talking like Yogi: 'our similarities are different'.

    8:45 AM

     
    Blogger AE said...

    mike, i sent you the bp story, check your email...

    if shawn green hits 30 hrs, awesome. if he hits 20 hrs, awesome. if he hits less than 20 - waste of money. bring me johnson/milledge.

    i hope soler finds a good home with a team and he finds some confidence. he has good secondary pitches to compliment a less than avg fastball. if he had trachsel's over inflated sense of confidence, greg maddux's control, and my tenacious defense he'd be an awesome pitcher. ok, my glove sucks...

    12:28 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    Thanks AE...much appreciated.

    I love the comment about Trax's over inflated confidence. Fun factoid that I learned during the draft we had....Traxx had 15 wins, but only 13 Quality Starts. 13 is a really low number for anyone starting 30+ games.

    1:55 PM

     
    Blogger Coop said...

    I heart Oh Pea

    9:12 PM

     
    Anonymous jake said...

    coop i'll trade you johan for Oh Pea

    10:09 PM

     
    Blogger Coop said...

    Get real, jakey :p

    More like John Maine and a scrub for Oh pea

    10:19 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    Ollie is legit as fuck.

    10:42 PM

     
    Anonymous DG said...

    Okay, this is good:

    Mike Carp introduced himself to Damion Easley during an informal workout even before Mets position players reported, eager to share the news that they both attended Lakewood High School in Southern California.
    "He was saying how he had a couple of records," Carp recalled. "I was like, 'Uhhhh, not anymore.'"

    Coop, is Ollie married?

    9:04 AM

     
    Blogger Coop said...

    I have no idea if he's married. I know that I'm not hee hee! Dude, why is it that a chick can't love a pitcher for being "balls deep" (hat tip to Mikey Oh) when it counts and be a little bit cute? :-)

    9:40 AM

     
    Anonymous DG said...

    Just joshing. I cannot help it. Do you know what his fastball maxed out at last night?

    9:47 AM

     
    Blogger metdynasty said...

    O P was awesome last night.

    The gun never went above 90 for some reason.

    Maybe there is something wrong with the equipment?

    His 88 mph fastball did look like 92-93.

    10:49 AM

     
    Anonymous Scott said...

    OP struck out ramirez once and Papi twice in his 9K night. Wow! 9K's in 5 innings! Lets see him blow away the enemy this season!

    11:20 AM

     
    Anonymous DG said...

    So, it looks like Soler is going to the Buccos. I'm surprised that the Nats weren't right on him given that they may well have the worst rotation in baseball.

    I actually cheered when the Mets acquired OP last summer. Let's hope Peterson keeps the big fix on him.

    That said, amazing to listen to Humber et al talk so much about the Petersonian philosophy of pitching and how much the Mets pitchers seem to be getting from the guy.

    1:50 PM

     
    Blogger bmc said...

    If we can extrapolate the logo-rithmic rate of deceleration from the release point assuming a late point of measurement and recalibrate for an artificially high angle of incidence used; we can probably establish a reasonable differential factor for the assessing Tradition Field velocity readings.

    Oppie's 89mph is probably 93-94mph.

    That's molten jalepeno laredo cheddar. You know because he's mexican, and throws laredo style, and 93 is like... cheddar.

    *swoon*

    more info on speed guns

    2:29 PM

     

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