A blog dedicated to the New York Mets with some other baseball thrown in.

Thursday, October 11, 2007

Is Being A Met Fan More Fun?

I have to tell you, this is making a lot of sense to me.

"Back then, you never knew whether the Yanks would make the World Series or finish third," he says. "Sure, I wanted them to win every game. But the truth is, I love not knowing what's going to happen in baseball. There's something fun about entering a season and not being sure how your team will do."

Would it be better for the Mets to be in the playoffs for the next ten years or to have years like '07 only to come back in '08 and '09 and be treated to trips to the playoffs and even the World Series perhaps. If the Mets made it in this year and continued to do so over the next five years, it would be nice for sure, but would it be as exciting as true pennant races and the unknown?

One of the early economic principles I learned in college was the theory of marginal utility.

UTILITY: Economist-speak for a good thing; a measure of satisfaction. Underlying most economic theory is the assumption that people do things because doing so gives them utility. People want as much utility as they can get. However, the more they have, the less difference an additional unit of utility will make – there is diminishing MARGINAL utility. Utility is not the same as utilitarianism, a political philosophy based on achieving the greatest happiness of the greatest number.

One triple cheesebuger is great, but two? If one was good, two should be twice as good, right? Not so much. Your stomach, your significant other, and possibly your ass would have something to say about that. Could this be applicable to baseball? It sure seems like Braves fans had become indifferent after not even selling out playoff games. Of course, there has to be some reward at some point. Us Met fans endure a lot, but if the Mets can win something in the next few years, the disaster that was 2007 will be distant memory and it will taste that much sweeter.

When did a baseball season in New York become solely about the finish line, and not about the journey? How can a team that clawed its way out of a 14½-game hole be deemed a failure for falling to a team -- the Cleveland Indians -- that features two of the league's top five starting pitchers? Do the memories of Alex Rodriguez's 54 home runs and Chien-Ming Wang's 19 wins and Derek Jeter's steely determination and Joba Chamberlain's meteoric rise fade to ashes without a diamond-studded ring?

So buck up...if the Mets were the Yankees, you wouldn't even care right now. At least the Mets have something to look forward to while the Yankees are destined for another season of 'failure' in 2008.

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  • Schuerholz is stepping down as the GM and moving up to second in command of the Braves with Frank Wren sliding into his spot. Will it matter? Who cares. This next decade is all about the Mets and they are their own worst enemy.

    Prediction....Frank Wren's big first move? Tom Glavine back to Atlanta and what a joyful occasion that will be. Also, how does Tom feel about Atlanta even though his child and wife were unable to attend his first games as a Met in Atlanta?

  • Is A-Rod bluffing? I hope not. He is the lynchpin for me in regards to the Yankees having a shot at the playoffs next season. If he returns, they are in. If he skips town, they are out.

  • The Phillies are willing to spend more money on next year's club. That is all well and fine if there was something to spend it on. Also, with a team that has so many holes in the bullpen and the rotation, they would not have enough to band-aid those ouchies. I know I'm probably jinxing the Mets, but they should run away with the division with a few smart moves. In reality, the '06 season covered up some of their blemishes and the '07 season put them to the forefront. The '08 season should be the reality.

  • The Rockies kick ass. Everyone should be fearful of the machine that is the Rockies.
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    54 Comments:

    Anonymous benny blanco from da bronx said...

    This comment was inspired by Kunz's performance the other day. Man, Eddie Kunz fucking sucks. Fucking Mets and thier middle reliever draft philosophy.

    I love when Yankee fans say "Alex Rodriguez decides to hit a homerun when it doesn't matter".
    I don't know what's funnier the fact that they say he DECIDES when to hit them or the fact that all his homeruns are meaningless.

    Let Tom Glavine enjoy Atlanta, the Mets MUST move on. THere are much better ways to spend $13 million.

    I still say DBacks over Rockies but HOLY SHIT, this is fucking nuts, Rockies win the game. This is going to be a great NLCS I'm fucking pumped.
    BTW, you saw Justin Upton do what he did to Kaz? I like it, good shit Justin!
    Also, kudos on Eric Young saying "pissed off" on ESPN just now, haha. Nice!
    Arizona fans are crazy by the way, throwing things? wow...

    Rod Barajas is a Free Agent, nice pickup as a backup?

    12:42 AM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Like I said late last night...
    What the hell has Tony Gywnn been eating? He better be on some dialysis machine or colostomy bag that we don't know about, because, that is one hefty HOF'er. Come on Tony, eat a salad or go fuck some whores instead of doubling up on the happy meals.

    I agree Benny, it should be a pretty good NLCS.

    -Bada

    7:39 AM

     
    Blogger Sidd Finch said...

    Tony Gwynn has been getting heftier every year. I wondered how he ran to first during his last couple of seasons. And he played in the FIELD!

    Everyone is right about not wanting to know that your team will win every year, but having a team whose record for the most consecutive division titles is 1, and number of consecutive seasons in the playoffs is 2, now that's taking it to the extreme!

    Compare the Mets record to the Astros. Both teams started in 1962. The only things better about the Mets record is the 2 World Series wins and 3 World series appearances.

    It is nice to see Mr. Met becoming optimistic again. Keep your head out of the oven!

    9:38 AM

     
    Anonymous Danny said...

    The Phillies want to spend some extra money.

    Ryan Howard is due a significant raise in arbitration.

    If they want to keep Rowand, he will get a significant raise.

    If they want to keep Romero, he will get a significant raise.

    Okay, so I guess they are all done now!

    The Mets control their own destiny. It's on them not to screw it up.

    10:00 AM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    Benny, you still doubt MY Rockies? Shame on you o' ye of little faith.

    I thought throwing things in that spot was a bit uncalled for. They have now entered the realm of the White Sox and Philly fans.

    Tony has been chunky for a while now? He was very pudgy while he played so it stands to reason he puts on some weight.

    Me? Pessimistic? C'mon, I'm a glass half full guy.

    Danny, good points.....all good points.

    10:50 AM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    Wallace is at it again today.

    11:14 AM

     
    Anonymous ossy said...

    the rockopolitans?

    haha if in jest, funny

    the phils are gonna have to bump like to at least $7 mil on howards arb case. they have to raise payroll the "phans" would lynch gillick if he didnt match the increases. eaton was a horrible signing. on par with mo vaughn and carl pavano

    in terms of payroll, the teams in alcs & nlcs rank 2nd, 23rd, 25th, 26th... NICE!! can we get some player developement willie fucking randolph and omar

    11:19 AM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    haha if in jest, funny

    Who is laughing?

    Gillick stand pat? Never.

    Eaton was horrible and I remember people actually liked the signing. Whoever liked it, should be fired.

    in terms of payroll, the teams in alcs & nlcs rank 2nd, 23rd, 25th, 26th... NICE!!

    Very nice and very great point.

    can we get some player developement willie fucking randolph and omar

    I second that.

    11:29 AM

     
    Anonymous ossy said...

    if i were pat gillick, id offer 2% of the phillies and my wife to mariano rivera....

    rowand at 6yrs $84m is RETARDEDED. i find that contract on par with the jason kendall contract

    12:39 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Don't buy too much into the Yankee prospect hype. Sure, Joba and Hughes are legit (though compare Hughes and Pelfrey's major league stats before you go nuts on Hughes). But the other prospects are riding on their coattails. Look at their top four pitching prospects - Chamberlain, Hughes, Kennedy, and Horne versus Pelfrey, Humber, Guerra, and Mulvey. Sure, the Yanks top two are better prospects, but Guerra and Mulvey are much better than Kennedy and Horne.

    Or, looking at the big picture, which group of 26 and under players / upper level prospects would you rather have?

    Mets: Wright, Reyes, Milledge, Gomez, Gotay, FMart, Perez, Maine, Pelfrey, Humber, Joe Smith, Mulvey, Parnell, and Guerra. OR

    Yankees: Cano, Cabrerra, Wang, Chamberlain, Hughes, Kennedey, Horne, Tabata, Karstens, and Austin Jackson.

    Really, I don't even think it is close between those two groups. Yanks fans are excited about (finally) having some pitching prospects. And they should be. But at best they are where the Mets were last year in player development...

    -ube

    1:53 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    That seems like a lot for Rowant, but $12 mill a year is not off. The Years are tough to swallow for a non-top tier guy. However, the market is baaaaad which will inevitably drive up some prices...yet again.

    Ube...Do not forget Umberto Sanchez who was on his way to becoming a top ten pitching prospect. He could be devastating out the bullpen in 2009.

    I do agree with what you are saying overall, but three potential front end starters (Kennedy is fringy for the front end) trumps what we have by leaps and bounds unless Pelfrey and Humber take a major step forward.

    2:51 PM

     
    Anonymous benny said...

    rowand at 6yrs $84m is RETARDEDED. i find that contract on par with the jason kendall contract

    He can ask for 6 years and 84 million but it doesn't mean he's going to get it. I mean Beltran wanted 10 years 200 million...
    He got what? 6 years...
    And Rowand doesn't have Boras representing him so that agent is already not the best.

    Ube, the Yankees have guys in the big leagues producing right now. So the edge HAS to go to the Yankees. I mean Guerra? Who knows what happens to him although I'm very optimistic in him.
    And Mulvey? I like him but he hasn't pitched a major league game much less be succesful, like Ian Kennedy has already proven.

    Not sure if its true but word out on the street is Leo Mazzone has resigned from the Orioles, dun dun dun...

    3:18 PM

     
    Anonymous Two-By-Four said...

    According to AP sports Mazzone was fired. That club will be garbage as long as their run by buffoons.

    Ian Kennedy and Edwar Ramirez won MiLB’s overall starting and relief pitchers of the year award.

    5:42 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    benny;

    No way do the Yanks have more proven guys. Maybe more upside, but not more major league results:

    Maine (56 career starts, 4.19 ERA), Perez (140, 4.43), Pelfrey (17, 5.55), and Humber(1).

    Wang (80 career starts, 3.74 ERA), Hughes (13, 4.46), Kennedy (3, 1.89), and Chamberlain(0).

    Hughes showed a bit more - but not a ton - than Pelfrey this year, and Kennedy and Chamberlain have shown nothing as far as being starters. Not saying they aren't good prospects, but I think we forget the yanks would kill for guys with age and track record of Maine and Perez.

    Mr. Met - sure I could have included Karstens, Ohlendorf, and Humberto Sanchez as well, but I tried to stick to top end guys. I also didn't include Heilman, Burgos, Duaner Sanchez, Muniz or few others for the Mets - and I think the Mets come out on top in that exchange as well. Humberto is coming off his second serious elbow surgery, and at this point his upside tops out at Duaner's, and he less likely to get there than Duaner is to return to form.

    Just for comparison sake, BA rated two Mets prospects in their respective AAA's top 20 (and left Humber off) and one in AA (and left Mulvey off), while the Yanks had 0 in AAA and 2 in AA. I don't think that favors the Yanks.

    two-by-four - those milb awards are for the season, not the prospect unless I am seriously mistaken. Both those guys had good seasons, but I don't think either ranks as an elite prospect (Kennedy is borderline). I mean guys like McLane, DeVaney, and Ruckle have put up awesome numbers for us without me ever giving them a second glance - they just don't have good enough stuff to survive in the majors. Give me BA Top 20 lists, which is a MUCH better indicator of future success.

    Look, all I'm trying to say is we are Mets fans - we see our guys every day, and so we see their warts a lot quicker. Those Yankee guys (outside of maybe Chamberlain and Hughes) have just as many, or more warts as the players the Mets have. We're assuming every Yankee prospect makes it while we worry every time a Met guy (cough, cough Pelfrey) doesn't come up and dominate. That's all I'm trying to say.

    -ube

    6:13 PM

     
    Anonymous benny blanco from da bronx said...

    I didn't know Maine and Oliver Perez were part of the equation...

    6:26 PM

     
    Anonymous Two-By-Four said...

    The last part of the equation in pitching is command. It is the hardest to master and you hope to develop consistency with it. What impressed me about Joba was his command at such an early age. In fact the same could be said for Kennedy and Hughes. When Hughes returned after his rehab he had lost velocity and bite on his breaking pitches. They should be back next year. He was pitching a no hitter when he was injured. Kennedy does not have the talent of Hughes or Joba. The best way to describe Kennedy is take Brian Bannister increase the velocity of his fastball till its 91-92 and add a little bite to his breaking pitches. The Mets pitchers have the raw talent but they’re very slow.developing. The problem could be the training they’re getting in the minors. The Yankees may just have better instructors.

    6:38 PM

     
    Anonymous Two-By-Four said...

    I meant to add that the Yankees may have just been plain lucky with these guys.

    6:51 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Benny - My arguements were about the future of each organization, and so I drew a somewhat arbitrary line at 26 years old. I guess you don't need to include Maine or Perez (or then Wang), depending on how you define it. I tend to look at young talent as a group, and so think age is probably the best cutoff. But certainly some people define young talent as that in the minors, or that still able to qualify as ROY, or whatever makes the most sense to you.

    two-by-four - No major disagreements with your points, I just think it's too early to tell on most of these guys. For example, I was impressed by Chamberlain, but if he's going to be a starter, I want to see him struggling through the 6th with 96 pitches thrown. Pelfrey's looked good for an inning or two at clip many times. And if we're going to give Hughes a lot of leeway for a hamstring injury, then I think we should be impressed by what Humber has done coming back from TJ surgery.

    I guess, in the end, I am just still very optimistic about the coming years for the Mets. There's a lot of young talent that I feel is ready to make its mark.

    -ube

    7:44 PM

     
    Anonymous benny blanco from da bronx said...

    Watching the Red Sox vs Indians game and hearing the crowd and everything, it really makes me miss last year.
    I miss 2006, it was such a happy time with the Mets, except for umm, Game 7, but other than that I miss it.

    8:45 PM

     
    Anonymous Two-By-Four said...

    Ube I think the major question that must be answered is will the Mets develop this talent and give it the opportunity to flourish and come of age in the majors or will they turn to the proven and in some cases not so proven veterans and use the kids as trading chips?

    One advantage in giving the kids a chance to perform, especially near the end of the season, is that nobody has faced them before. I’ve seen too many phenoms make a temporary mark in the majors only to flame out but sometimes it can win a division for you.

    1:03 AM

     
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    manny ramirez is sick. i think he is the best hitter of this generation.

    carmona has some filthy stuff. i cant get why he blew as a closer last year

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