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Thursday, May 29, 2008

Carlos Delgado... Humanitarian, scholar, and all around good guy.

Peter Gammons is a bit overdramatic at times.

Some like to blame Carlos Delgado for not being Thurman Munson. Delgado will never be a baseball evangelist, just a fair, socially responsible man who never self-promotes. Recently, he apologized to Billy Wagner for Wagner's being left in a media storm (even though a family emergency forced Delgado to leave the park), he helped Randolph and Rick Peterson guide Ramon Castro through an experience with a new pitcher, and he pulled Reyes aside on the field during a pitching change to exact his focus. But somehow Delgado's bat speed and character have become blurred lines in the case of a very decent man.

Really? People blame him for not being Thurman Munson? He never did anything redeeming for this team? No one thinks he is a decent man? Strange stuff. What I really hate is when baseball writers blur some line between humanity and baseball skills. If I had a kid, I would let Carlos Delgado babysit it and I wouldn't even call in to check.

However, what does that have to do with baseball? What does him being an all around swell guy do for him being a run product at first base and not contributing negative value? He has a .215/.298/.387 line and though May has been better, it is still pretty damn bad. An 81 OPS+ and a .3 WARP is terrible. Just terrible.

The Mets are struggling and something needs to happen. This is not about charity and respecting that Carlos Delgado was a borderline Hall of Famer for his service in Toronto and being a man who stands by his convictions. This is about keeping a $140 million team from becoming a complete disaster.

Let us not confuse why Met fans are over Carlos Delgado. When things are going bad, you look at ways to fix your team and using Delgado in different manner is a place to start or getting someone to share a significant amount of playing time would be another. Cutting him out of the picture might help, but there are a few guys who could be kicked off before he does so for now, I will not call for him to be cut. From Buster:

Scott Hatteberg was cut loose to make room for Bruce on the roster, and first baseman Joey Votto was sorry to see Hatteberg go. Heard this: The Mets would like Hatteberg, but they'll try to go after him if and when he clears waivers, so they don't have to pay him his full salary.

Scott has been bad in limited time this year, but was fairly productive in '06 and '07. Though older than Delagdo, he seems to have aged better and would be a bigger contributer to this team in 2008.

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  • It is early, but you have to think that Jesus Flores stands a good chance to be one of the top five catchers in the league when you factor in offense and defense in a few years. I do not blame Omar because he was an A-ball catcher, but that hardly lessens my disappointment.

  • Chase Utley has 1,000,000 homers this year. His home road splits are nuts, but overall, the homers numbers overall for the Phillies are basically the same home and away. 

  • What is that sound? Brian Bannister and his 6.00+ ERA in May coming back down to planet Earth.

  • Pedro Martinez looked decent again A-ballers, but he was beaten by uber prospect David Price.

  • Wallace Matthews trying to write something positive?

    But what the Mets did Wednesday night happens about as often as Jay Horwitz wears an orange blazer to work or Luis Castillo hits a baseball out of the park. Both happened Wednesday night, and consequently, for only the second time in 25 attempts, the Mets won a game they were trailing after seven innings. For the first time all season, they won a game they were trailing after eight. And for the one of the few times all season, they actually left the field looking like a team that cares about winning and cares about each other.

    He also ties in some comedic relief into his article...

    The end almost, but not quite, erased the memory of what had happened so many hours before. First, the Mets announced that Ryan Church would not play again until he regains his mental focus, a casualty of his second concussion of the young season.

    Unfortunately, they could not make the same announcement about Perez, the cause of whose loss of focus is as yet undiagnosed. All the Mets know is that it is a persistent, even chronic condition, immune to all known forms of treatment and liable to recur at any time.


  • Baseball was better off letting Cuban buy the Pirates since the Cubbies do not need a shot in the arm, but I will take it.

  • I agree with the Mets course of action here...

    With Pedro Martinez expected to start next week in San Francisco, the Mets are considering a plan that would keep Mike Pelfrey in the rotation, shift Claudio Vargas to the bullpen and demote reliever Carlos Muniz. The front office is worried about losing Vargas if they expose him to waivers, but also reluctant to demote Pelfrey, believing it would be best if he continues to develop at the major-league level.

  • While on the topic of Carlos Delgado, it seems Willie is on board. Hopefully Willie can make these little tweaks to maximize this team and start turning this thing around.

  • The surprise teams this year are young and exciting while the disappointing Mets still look like the old recycled product sent out in the past.

    If the Mets do not step it up and pay out the nose for the best prospects left on the board during this upcoming draft, I will be angry. Not that me being angry matters or will help anything, but I will be angry.
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    34 Comments:

    Anonymous seattle steve said...

    I agree w/ the thought that slotting sucks and if an above average suspect falls our way and wants a lot of $$$$$ we might as well draft him. It seems that since we play in a "pitchers" park we should be taking advantage of that but it seems we haven't lately, but is it the pitching or sloppy defense???
    PS...I hope we draft "Nails" boy.

    11:26 AM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    Well, they drafted pitching first in like the last four years. That hasn't worked out. They need to just get god players.

    They need something...anything.

    11:37 AM

     
    Blogger Sidd Finch said...

    If a Mets fan is angry in the woods and there's no one there to hear it, does it count?

    2008 Delgado = 2007 Green

    Let's hope we are not in for a repeat of this:

    After struggling in the first month of the 2005 season, (Church) began to play well, and was considered a candidate for the Rookie of the Year Award, until he injured himself running into the outfield wall at PNC Park on June 22, 2005. At the time of the incident, Church was batting .325 with a .544 slugging percentage. After the incident, Church made two trips to the disabled list and was unable to match his hitting performance from the first half of the season.

    11:38 AM

     
    Anonymous Danny said...

    Please put Pelfrey in AAA. Please. Don't get me wrong, I see some improvement, but it's not enough to consistently give this team a chance to win. He still has very little if any control of his secondary pitches, and the command of his explosive fastball is not good enough to overcome that.

    He needs so much work.

    12:04 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    Nope Sidd. Apparently not. Willie thinks we are irrelevant and only started coming around when he single handedly made this team relevant again.

    2007 Green > 2008 Delgado...He could play OF and 1b and at least had a decent AVG. His OPS+ was league average....Hey, is he still available?

    Bad stuff on Churchy man. Not good at all.

    Danny...I'm torn on Pelfrey. He actually did well for quite a while and then had a few bad starts. I need to see more because he is potentially a big part of the future of this team. I have not seen enough yet and neither have the Mets. Keeping Vargas around certainly makes things easier and does tell us they do not implicitly trust him, which is the right thing.

    12:13 PM

     
    Anonymous ossy said...

    i would soooooooooo take shawn green over delgado right now.

    i dont care if delgado went to china and stopped the earthquake. he is getting paid to hit and he isnt hitting shit. gammons has lost it.

    1:05 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I WANT SOME TATIS TATERS! Stick him at first. Or wherever...KEEP HIM IN THE LINEUP.

    1:08 PM

     
    Blogger Sidd Finch said...

    I agree with Mike on Pelfrey. I don't think he will learn unless he does it at the Major League level. He reminds me of Bruce Hurst in the early 1980's. Great stuff, but inexplicably ineffective.

    I don't see much difference between Pelfrey's and OP's numbers so far, except K's and strikeouts.

    IP ERA WHIP K BB
    OP 53.2 5.37 1.59 42 40
    Pelf 49 5.33 1.78 24 23

    I could straighten both of 'em out in about half hour each, hahahaha

    1:09 PM

     
    Anonymous DG said...

    Must admit that I was a little worried about the MLB.com article on the Mets' draft plans that touted college relief pitchers yet again. They need some muscle, and if Hosmer is there at 18, they should praise Allah and pay the ransom. They should take the highest players on their board regardless of price.

    Pelfrey is middling. He's shown more signs of getting there this year, but he really, really should have been given the time to progress in the minors. I suppose the extra pen spot should be seen as a reprieve because there's little to any argument that Pelf should be here over Vargas. Vargas belongs; Pelfrey will one day. I'd still argue for Muniz's inclusion over him. And yes, the Mets would lose Vargas to waivers, and as it stands he makes a nice argument for a rotation spot next year or at least, so far.

    No one doubts that Delgado is a good dude, but he's scuffling, no more. He starts his swing these days before the ball is out of the pitcher's hand. Not a good sign.

    And frankly, I blame the Mets for not protecting Flores. They protected Jason Stanbridge over him, I think that was his name. No excuse. If you are going to sign Latin players at 16, you've got to KEEP them! Foolish.

    Any truth to the rumor that St. Lucie has been renamed the Bears?

    1:15 PM

     
    Blogger AE said...

    1. more playing time for tatis please - in right, left, and first. wherever. get him out there until the magic wears off.

    2. i'm all for platooning delgado and easley at this point. i know easley's bat doesn't play well at 1st, but whatever.

    3. speaking of platooning, i wouldn't mind jose valentin coming back and getting days against right handed pitching (that is if his knee is stable enough) to spell slappy mcslapperson of lefthanded hitting duties. yes, i know, most likely not happening...

    4. big pelf will have his good and bad days, lets hope the good outweigh the bad 6 to 4.

    5. did any of you see this quote from alfredo amezaga: "They didn't play better than us. They got lucky." I'm still laughing........

    1:32 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    Willie needs to go with the hot hands at this point...that is where they are at so Tatis plays.

    Thanks Sidd! I feel somewhat validated now!

    DG...when you put it like that (like you have 10 times before), I remember that I have no idea what I'm talking about. However, over the long haul, you need those 40 spots. Standridge might have been onit...maybe they had two spots, but an A ball catcher on the 40 man? How many of those do you see?

    1:37 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    Alfredo is feeling 'it'.

    He is feeling 'it' indeed and talking like a first place team. I have no qualms with that. The Mets are the inferior squad by most metrics. Offense....bullpen...run diff..record...

    1:38 PM

     
    Blogger AE said...

    mike, my opinion is that you do not awaken a sleeping giant. amezaga does not need to add any fuel to anyone's fire. he's not rollins, he's not chipper, he's not utley. he's alfredo amezaga!

    1:48 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    He's also in first place....feeling the mojo I might add.

    2:02 PM

     
    Anonymous benny blanco from da bronx said...

    Carlos Delgado is not as loving or cool as Thurmon Munson? REALLY? That's interesting considering that in 2006, Carlos Delgado was awarded the Robert Clemente award for his charitble contributions.

    Mike, I'd like to disagree on Jesus Flores' defense. I personally don't think he's any good back there. Of course this isn't a fair way to judge him as this can have something to do with the pitching staff BUT he already has 3 passed balls in the season. 3 in 18 games is not a good ratio, Kevin Cash is so far number one i nthe league but he's been catcihng Tim Wakefield. Followed by Bengie Molina and Ryan Doumit who have started 25 and 43 games respectively.

    The drafyt is only a week away, hurray! I can't wait!
    Word out on the street is Mets like Ike Davis. I like him too, he'd be a decent pick. Also , according to Metsblog, the Mets are looking at some kid named Hewitt, who, before today, I've perosnally never heard of. I'd prefer they stick to Ike Davis and or/ Jason Castro. I'm soo giddy about the Mets having 4 top 50 picks!

    Dirty Sanchez throwing 94 mph is to awesome and peachy as Benny is to sucking ass in Fantasy Baseball this season.

    The Mets and ESPECIALLY Omar completely botched the whole Church and the DL debacle. THey just completely fucked it up.

    2:18 PM

     
    Anonymous benny said...

    Also, this might be hindsight talking but... last night truely did feel like, dare I say... 2006!
    Despite all the things that went wrong, for some unknown reason I truely felt the Mets were NOT going to lose that game. I havn't felt that way about the Mets in a long time. I don't know what it was, it was a very different feeling though, that's for sure. I felt it through the TV!

    No one cares and I wish there was a way to prove this but during Spring Training I was saying I liked Fernando Tatis as a bench guy when everybody was wishing he was dead and complaining about him potentially making the team. Hurray for Tatis he's a perfect bench player. He's only 33 years old, he's not 40.

    2:24 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    I thought he looked pretty good against the Mets and has a good arm. Maybe I am just focussing on too small of a sample size.

    4 in 50 could be great. Really great.

    Dirty? Forget Dirty.

    I agree on Tatis. Him being young is good.

    2:41 PM

     
    Anonymous Draft Cutter Dykstra! said...

    Benny, I remember that you were up on Tatis, but you know his pumpkin will be riding up to Shea any minute now! He won't be here long.

    Mike, there are teams that put A ball players on their 40 man. If I remember correctly, the Mets even did that with Ambiorix Concepcion. As I said, Latin players sign young and often don't even make it stateside before their third or even fourth year in a farm system. You can always risk it, sure, but a catcher ranked in your top 10 prospects has to be worth taking a chance on, especially when you consider that he is a catcher. When the star dims, you can try to pass the guy through waivers, like the Mets did with Concepcion. The Stanbridges & Brian Stokes of the world are interchangeable. When you lose one, you can sign two at half prices. Four on Thursdays!

    But long view that may argue why the Mets constantly push their latin talent and create teams like the St. Lucie Pets. Players have to mature quickly before you have to protect them.

    Hewitt according to BA:

    41 ANTHONY HEWITT, OF/SS, Salisbury (Conn.) School
    Hewitt is the epitome of high-risk, high-reward. The risk starts with his signability: Any team that drafts Hewitt must be prepared to open its wallet and buy the academic-minded Brooklyn native-turned-Connecticut boarding school star out of a commitment to Vanderbilt. There's also a huge risk that he simply won't hit in professional ball: his raw bat was overmatched against quality pitching on the showcase circuit last summer, and though he dominated vastly inferior prep competition this spring, he still struggles to recognize breaking balls and can get locked up at times by ordinary fastballs. But then he'll crush a ball 450 feet and give scouts a glimpse of his prodigious upside. Several scouts said he was second to Tim Beckham as the best athlete at the East Coast showcase last summer, and he has three legitimate above-average tools in his raw power, speed and arm strength. His muscular 6-foot-1, 190-pound frame evokes Ron Gant, and his work ethic and charisma stand out. Hewitt plays shortstop for Salisbury, but his poor footwork, stiff actions and lack of instincts will dictate a shift to third base or more likely the outfield, where he has enough speed and arm strength for center or right. Hewitt has generated mountains of buzz in the Northeast and could sneak into the supplemental round or even the back of the first round if a club falls in love with his potential enough to overlook his crudeness.

    And here's where the New Draft Tracker has these guys:

    21. Jason Castro c Stanford 27 21
    Stanford's most consistent hitter profiles as a similar player to rangy A.J. Pierzynski, with a sunnier disposition.

    25. Anthony Hewitt ss Salisbury (Conn.) HS NR 41
    The best athlete in the draft has a raw bat that scared off clubs early, as did his Vanderbilt commitment, but his first-round buzz is too much to ignore.

    26. Ike Davis of/1b Arizona State 30 27
    Rib injury slowed his Pac-10 player of the year march and might ding his first-round possibilities for some teams, but few prospects answered more doubters than Davis did this season.

    Of course, the entire banana!:

    7 ERIC HOSMER,1B, American Heritage HS, Plantation, Fla.
    An Aflac All-American and preseason High School All-American, Hosmer is one of the most decorated prep players in this year's draft class. He played for Team USA's junior squad last summer and this spring is a member of one of the nation's top high school teams, which won a state championship. Regularly compared to fellow Floridian Casey Kotchman, Hosmer is a physical specimen with bat speed to spare. Swinging from the left side, Hosmer has as much raw power as anyone in the draft. His power ranges to all fields, as he is known for letting balls get deep and driving them for opposite-field home runs. While his approach at the plate is advanced, Hosmer's pitch recognition has been a concern for some scouts. In the field, he's a solid defender with athleticism and a well-above-average arm. He is the closer on his high school team, regularly touching 95 mph off the mound. While his actions at first base need refinement, he could be an above-average defender. Hosmer has the tools to be an all-star first baseman and has one of the highest ceilings of any player in this year's draft. As an Arizona State signee and a client of the Boras Corp., however, signability could be an issue.

    And here's the draft tracker:

    6. Eric Hosmer 1b American Heritage HS, Plantation, Fla. 6 7

    Hosmer helped lead American Heritage High to a Florida state championship with his arm (up to 98 mph on the mound) and power bat.

    Other name to remember is Ethan Martin.

    We will get some good talent with 18 - 22 - 33. IF WE PAY!....

    2:51 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    I said A-ball catchers! I know a-ballers have been protected, but the jump from A-ball catchers is HUGE!

    3:02 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Y'all know the Mets will draft some crappy college reliever and pass on Hosmer.

    The Mets needs to win NOW.

    Emad

    3:55 PM

     
    Anonymous DG said...

    From John Delcos:

    The more I think of the Church thing …

    May
    29

    The more I think of it, the more it ticks me off.

    Omar Minaya and the Mets basically threw Ryan Church under the bus yesterday when he said the team’s decision on handling him on any given day was based on how he is feeling. The man has a head injury. He’s not thinking clearly to begin with.

    Let me get this straight. The team flies Moises Alou from Atlanta to NY to get his calf looked at, because the team trusts its doctors. Yet, they fly Church around the country. And, he has a head injury. And this is after having a head injury earlier in the season.

    Church should have been on the DL a week ago.

    When Minaya said he went off the player’s evaluation of his health, I asked him where Church got his medical degree. He wasn’t pleased with the question.

    I also asked him if players don’t lie. Maybe lie is a strong word, but players constantly say they are able to play when they aren’t. His response was, “I don’t go into a relationship thinking someone is going to lie.”

    That’s pretty naive, especially in the baseball industry.

    The man has a head injury, dammit. This has been screwed up from the start and it’s not getting any better.

    6:04 PM

     
    Anonymous tc said...

    Home late from work ... keepin' it short.

    Awesome game last night, and I am glad I had 1999 faith going into bottom 9 and did not switch to the Celtics/Pistons game on ESPN. Speaking of 1999, Fernando Tatis, what are you doing?

    Delgado is nothing more than a large pile of suck. He's back in there tonight, but he 100% needs to sit vs. Kershaw, because he's not touching that man.

    Get well Church!

    Hosmer = Drool. I wish. Too bad they're taking Ike Davis. In this case, I don't like Ike. Hewitt? Eh, Mayo says raw bats fizzle more often than they catch on, but I have read good things.

    Time to go watch the game, 3 in a row time?!

    6:54 PM

     
    Anonymous Will said...

    I agree with taking the utmost care regarding this type of injury but how can one not like this guy. other players could take note.

    ---Such has been the worry for Church, who returned to Shea Stadium on Thursday after following strict orders earlier this week to stay away and get some rest. Still recovering from his second concussion of the year, Church did some light throwing and expected to resume baseball activities on Friday. And just as significant, he assumed all the blame for an injury that was perhaps prolonged by his insistence to play through it.

    "They didn't do anything wrong," he said of the Mets. "When it came down to it, they asked me. I was the final say, and I told them, basically, that I couldn't go out on the field and play, but I could pinch-hit. I told them all it takes is one swing, and I can help this team."
    ---

    8:41 PM

     
    Blogger AE said...

    I am here to remind everyone that Juan Pierre is still the best player in the league...in the metropolitans league.

    GO JUAN PIERRE!!!!

    Seriously though, I need to get out of work early today to see Juan take some BP and shag some flies...

    12:54 PM

     
    Anonymous tc said...

    I was at the game tonight. Somehow, it took me longer standing in line to enter the stadium at Gate C than it did to drive there from Brooklyn.

    I have never heard someone booed more loudly than Heilman tonight. Granted, he sucked ass, and he deserved it. But he got John Rocker style boos. I can't lie, I loved it.

    Delgado? Why was he even playing. Kershaw made him look like shit. The first pitch curve ball he threw Carlos in his first at bat was comical ... the fucking guy almost jumped out of the box. Also, nice job in the 9th.

    Tatis, Tatis, Tatis. I know you gotta go with the hot hand, but his defense in right was god-awful. The shitty kid on my little league team who we stuck out there because no one hit it and he had to play 5 innings could have covered more ground and not bobbled a crucial single to the OF allowing another run to score. I'd rather have Endy replace him than Evans in the 8th.

    Willie got his tonight again tonight, but I will let him slide on account of Heilman's level of suck.

    Tomorrow is a new day. Pelf pitching for a spot in the rotation.

    1:46 AM

     
    Anonymous DG said...

    Luis Castillo slipped on a banana peal following last night's game. He is listed as day to day.

    9:41 AM

     
    Anonymous Will said...

    Delgado's swinging like he's the one with the concussion.

    11:46 AM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    NOW THEY ARE AWAKE!

    9:43 PM

     
    Anonymous tc said...

    Church!

    9:49 PM

     
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