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Thursday, November 22, 2007

Gobble Mother Fucking Gobble

I wake up on such a glorious day of gluttonies only to read this article.

This was blockbuster news because previously, during the same time period in which the Yankees had lost to the midges, passed their ownership torch from George to Boy George, fired one guy named Joe, hired another and entered into negotiations with three big-ticket free agents, the only activity in Mets camp was the removal of a bunion from El Duque's foot. At least they think it was a bunion. The guy's so old, it might have been a vestigial toe.

Um, except those big ticket free agents were already on the team so that does not exactly count. I love the people who say the Yankees had the best off-season so far by simply retaining the same players who they had last year. If you have a team that did not make it out of the first round of the playoffs, did nothing to improve themselves, and might lose Andy Pettite, why all the praise?

Is Estrada A-Rodesque? I think we can all answer that question. Obviously he is not, but with a huge catching vacancy and a dearth of talent, Omar's move was solid. It gives him leverage to negotiate for the catcher he really wants and can simply non-tender him later, but has a very good insurance plan to platoon with Castro. Throw on top of that the fact Willie no longer can irrationally use Mota as his go to guy anymore as he was jettisoned off and this team is in a much better place than before trade, which is the sign of a good move, no?

Outside of possibly still targeting another catcher, the offense is set and stands to be much better than last year with a full year of Milledge (if he is even still around come opening day) and hopefully 120 games of Alou. Then you look to the bullpen and if The Duque is tossed out there like he should be, the Mets are shaping up to have a pretty good bullpen and they still should be able to bring in one of the many capable arms out there on the free agent market.

Then they received another first round pick for Glavine, which is pretty damn important, and are still eyeing one starting pitcher. The one thing here is that I do not want Omar to get an ace at all costs and no, I do not think Blanton is an ace. There have been many rumors of what it will take to get Haren or Santana over here, but every deal is just too hard to judge.

I like Beane as a trading partner as he seems to be fair most of the time so I am confident Beane will not try and act like other GMs. Too many simply fail to improve their team because instead of making a fair deal, they simply go for the rip off and nothing else even if it means failing to the do the right thing for their team. However, that is why Orioles will always be the Orioles and remain as the dregs of the AL East while everyone else gets better.

Omar should only improve the rotation if the price is right. He should not be in the mindset that he needs to get an ace at all costs. Of course, an ace would be nice, but you truly need to balance out the future and I would be fine with picking up Carlos Silva or Hiroki Kuroda. I think their rotation would be deep enough, if unspectacular, and should be able to do a fine job. The Mets have a solid top three and could have a solid end of the rotation. Give me a solid five and future rather than an ace and a solid four and a barren system.

If the Mets did happen to dish out Milledge for a starter, I would be fine adding Fukudome into the mix. The idea is the Mets have plenty of options at this point and the off-season is not about doing as many things as you can early, but making good moves. I expect Omar will do the right thing and I am not nervous at this point. There are plenty of names still out there on the free agent market and plenty of names out there than can be acquired through a trade. I fully expect the Mets to be better than they were in 2007 and I hope no one is getting antsy yet. Things are looking just fine in Met-land and the Mets have money and they have options.

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  • Wow. Who saw this coming? Hunter on the Angels is a pretty good move by them, but they still needed to add more offense. It should be noted though, his average annual pay is more than Beltran's, which is nuts. Beltran's contract looks great when you look at what has gone on the last two off-seasons. Also, if they can add Miguel Tejada at this point, they would have to be prohibitive favorites to win the entire thing.

  • Four years and $19 million for Linebrink? Insane.
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    36 Comments:

    Anonymous seattle steve said...

    Happy Thanksgiving
    I agree that we should no mortgage our future on someone like Blanton, trading Milledge will be like trading Amos Otis ... we add a pitcher from the free agent route unless the name is Haren or Santana. I do not feel that Delgado is washed up and he will have a better year than last year, if Padilla and sanchez can comeback our bull pen prayers will be answered.

    3:24 PM

     
    Anonymous benny blanco from da bronx said...

    The White Sox can have Linebrink, fuck that! 4 years!?! BANANAS!
    Speaking of the White Sox, its pretty funny that they cut Podsednik and traded Garland to clear payroll for Torii HUnter only to see him go to a team paying $18 million per season, amazing. That's alot of MONEY!

    I feel kinda bad for Estrada, with the way Omar can simply non-tender him, whompers.

    The over/under for Mota being cut by the Brewers will be set at June. What does everyone think? After June or before June?
    I'll take the Over.

    I think El Duque in the pen cannot be underestimated. The man has balls of steel for the bullpen and he can be a magician. HE WAS a magician this past season and he wasn't even anything close to healthy.

    Wow that Bobby Abreu trade was official SHIT. From rotoworld:
    Yankees signed outfielder C.J. Henry to a minor league contract.
    New York's first-round pick in 2005, Henry was sent to Philadelphia in the Bobby Abreu trade. He then batted just .184 with an abysmal 139/18 K/BB ratio at low Single-A in 2007 before requesting that the Phillies release him. They did, perhaps thinking that he'd quit baseball to pursue a college basketball career, but instead he returns to the Yankees.

    4:27 PM

     
    Anonymous DG's Turkey Day Tirade said...

    I hate Wallace Matthews and generally avoid reading his crap-that-passes-as-journalism. He pathologically hates the Mets so why is he being given the assignment to write about them? Finally, I broke down after ready his stupid dreck and wrote Newsday's publisher, Tim Knight, to complain. His email is Publisher@newsday.com. Who knows if he'll even read it or respond. I figure that if Heyman, A Rubin and Delcos will, maybe this guy will too.

    4:27 PM

     
    Anonymous benny blanco from da bronx said...

    By the way, Happy Thanksgiving bitches!!!

    4:36 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Are you folks assuming Delgado is going to improve? Because I think he's done.

    8:02 PM

     
    Anonymous Two-By-Four said...

    Happy Thanksgiving!

    Wallace Mathews is the Chris Russo of Journalism. It is his intention to shock and anger the fans of the team he bashes. He employs a smattering of facts with a generous helping of perception to antagonize. From a cursory glance of the column you would think the Mets were a second division team. Basically last year was an aberration with the Mets meltdown and the Rockies incredible winning streak. The Mets are not as bad as they looked during the meltdown and the Rockies are not as good as they seemed during the streak (of course they crash landed like the dirigible Hindenburg against the Red Sox). At this point it is far too premature to be critical of the Mets off-season. Last year, after bidding a huge amount for Dice-K and making a substantial offer for Zito, the front office settled into a malaise coupled with a throwing sh*t against the wall philosophy, that ended up costing the Mets the division. An unwillingness to use the money in the failed bids for Dice-K and Zito to over pay for, although it reflected market value, a pitcher or two cost the Wilpons the revenue, excitement and visibility of being in the playoffs. Unless the Wilpons allow Omar to sign a FA outfielder to enable him to trade away the outfield prospects (not an idea I’m in favor of) I’m not sure what money will buy this off-season. The Mets do have quite a number of question marks but it is not gloom and doom as Wallace claims.

    11:13 PM

     
    Anonymous joe said...

    has anyone seen a recent workup of the mets payroll? if so forward over a link or post that sht. is it me or does it seem like the mets are much under last year? gearing up for next off season maybe...

    11:26 PM

     
    Anonymous Two-By-Four said...

    Apparently C. J. Henry told the Yankees he wanted to play for them and asked if they would take him back. The Yankees made the move after they found out the last month of the season Henry was fitted for contacts and hit .300.

    11:42 PM

     
    Anonymous Two-By-Four said...

    In his Hot Stove Daily Tim Brown at Yahoo! Sports discusses the Mets. In regards to Omar he writes:

    at the very least, credit Minaya with responding decisively in the wake of his team's September meltdown.

    Compare that to what that fool Wallace wrote in his column.

    Brown also writes:

    The Mets also, believe it or not, held broad discussions about Andruw Jones, presumably in case Lastings Milledge and/or Carlos Gomez must be included for a frontline starter. That seem like a longshot.

    4:51 AM

     
    Anonymous DG said...

    2X4, I think the failure to get Matsuzaka was not due to an unwillingness to use money. They put up serious euros and thought they would have the highest bid on him. If you remember everyone was shocked at how much the Sox put up ... and then were equally shocked to see the Mets had actually committed serious bucks to getting his rights.

    As for Zito, I just think they made a wise decision. He was not a true top shelf pitcher and wasn't worth the money. Logic extends - at least for us - that if they were wise enough to see that Zito was not all quite what he was hyped to be, then they're not seeing Joe Blanton as a top shelf pitcher either.

    I'd rather go back to the see what sticks mindset if they cannot trade talent for a Santana or Haren. The offense is such that we could live another year with an improved pen.

    I still think that Milledge is more likely than Gomez to realize his potential, so although I admire Gomez's skill sets, I wouldn't weep if he goes in a deal for a pitcher. I just don't see the Mets parting with Fernando, and obviously, one of those major league ready outfielders is going to start in right next year. If Milledge goes, I think we'll all live with Gomez's on the job training, but I expect Milledge to break out in 08.

    10:03 AM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    -Scott

    Riddle me this Batman; If we trade Milledge then who plays RF? Gomez, to me, is not read, maybe one or two years from now yes, but not tomorrow or next season. We will need to find a replacement for Milledge so the cost of a Santana is not just the prospects we send but also his 7 or 8 year $140-160 mil contract AND also the contract for a decent RF.

    So dont pull the trigger? Are you kidding me? Santana is the BEST PITCHER IN ALL OF BASEBALL! If he is truly on the market then we give them the entire farm including the managers, trainers, grass, fans- EVERYTHING. The cost of picking him up is significant but he will be the best pitcher in baseball for at least 10years. He will be the best for most of Milledges' career and half of Gomez's.

    Linebrink...crazy contract for a guy on the downside of his career.

    Hunter; Seems alot of money considering they already had Matthews on a crazy contract. I guess they didn't have the money for A-Fraud.

    I hope that Omar is busy looking at FA relievers. I read about Riske and Mahay (from Atlanta), both had good seasons and would make good 8th innings setup guys. If we trade Heilman ( I think we should) then we could get both of these guys.

    12:06 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Farva Said

    Santana turned down 4 yrs and $80mil! Hope it is the # of years that he didnt like! If he wants more than $20m per then alot of clubs will no longer be trading for him.

    Santana
    Bedard
    Kazmir
    Snell

    If Omar brought any of these guys in we can call this a successful offseason.

    4:10 PM

     
    Anonymous Two-By-Four said...

    2X4, I think the failure to get Matsuzaka was not due to an unwillingness to use money. They put up serious euros and thought they would have the highest bid on him. If you remember everyone was shocked at how much the Sox put up ... and then were equally shocked to see the Mets had actually committed serious bucks to getting his rights.

    As for Zito, I just think they made a wise decision. He was not a true top shelf pitcher and wasn't worth the money.


    I guess I didn’t make myself clear. I’m not criticizing the failure to acquire Dice-K or Zito. I stated after bidding a huge amount for Dice-K and making a substantial offer for Zito, the front office settled into a malaise coupled with a throwing sh*t against the wall philosophy. I am criticizing the efforts other than the Dice-K bid and the Zito offer. It’s equivalent to my attending an auction, making a large bid on an item only to have someone else exceed my bid. Then after someone accuses me of being cheap for not giving my gf $10 to go to Wendy’s I answer how can you say that when I bid $500,000 earlier today. Of course, that money was never spent and never left my pocket.

    5:16 PM

     
    Blogger Sidd Finch said...

    I don't think that Omar is through. It seems as though one deal with Omar sets other things in motion. Besides, the Mets got better through addition by subtraction.

    Wow, Joe Kennedy died at 28. He didn't have great numbers, but he had a pretty good curveball, and would have been useful to the Mets. He seemed like a pretty good guy when he was in Denver.

    Condolences to his family. He was married with a one-year-old.

    6:23 PM

     
    Anonymous Two-By-Four said...

    From AP Sports:

    Free-agent closer Francisco Cordero has reportedly reached a preliminary agreement on a four-year, $46 million contract with the Cincinnati Reds.

    11:58 PM

     
    Anonymous ossy said...

    dayn perry is on the sugarpants bandwagon...

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7470516

    2:36 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Perhaps we can have this happen:

    If not Santana, Gomez for Garza. Then Milledge, Heilman and Pelfrey or Humber to Oakland for Haren.

    Haren
    Pedro
    Maine
    Perez
    Pelfrey/Humber or Garza

    It's.....OK. I'd still want Santana, but it is what it is.

    - Nokes

    6:35 PM

     
    Blogger sweep said...

    Scott

    YANKEES TRADE FOR SANTANA!!!!!

    Oh crap! they got him! and ll it took was a nice cup of tea and a pack of big league chew!

    Well thats what some in the media seem to think it will take the wankees. I just read a piece that says the Mets dont have enough in Milledge et al but Cabrera and some stiff from A ball will be enough!

    The media are so full of their own crap over this mega bullshit trade that it makes me sick.

    Just had to vent.

    7:51 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    When you think about it, the Mets have plenty: Milledge, Gomez, Martinez, Pelfrey, Humber, Heilman, Smith.

    If they're desparate; Reyes and Maine.

    Something is going to get done. It has to. They can not go into '08 with Pedro, Maine and Perez. They need that horse and Santana is that man, and to a lesser extent, Haren.

    DONT LOSE HOPE!!! WE ARE NOT OF THE SANTANA RACE!!

    LETS GO METS!!!

    - Nokes

    8:14 PM

     
    Anonymous Two-By-Four said...

    When it comes to assessing young talent, especially kids on the farm, the media is clueless. Every serious article states that the Red Sox and Yankees will be the prime suitors of Santana but will have to part with some serious talent. The Mets young talent, except for a few players, is just not highly thought of by rival scouts and GMs when compared to the Red Sox and Yankees organizations. Most fans over-rate the talent on the farm of their favorite team and counter arguments to the contrary, not with facts, but with pure emotional diatribes (see Metsblog). I don’t want to clear out the few real prospects we have in a trade for Santana. I would rather the Mets give some of the kids a chance but Willie and Omar are not enamored with youth.

    10:04 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Scott

    As someone said here, there are actually is a plethora of pitching available if media accounts are right. It will take our best talent to bring someone back but the availability seems to be there.

    Milledge, Pelfrey, Humber, Gomez to Pittsburgh for Ian Snell and Jason Bay.

    Ha!! you say another joke of a trade! Totally one sided! Well apparently not. Pittsburgh has zero bucks and know they will not be competitive for sometime. Now they are putting out feelers to move their big salaries.

    Ian Snell had an awesome year but 2 things screw him. 1. He plays in Pittsburgh and 2. He plays in Pittsburgh. No run support and no media coverage. Snell's line

    208, 177so, 68BB and 3.76 era. 9-12. The kid can seriously pitch and will not take that much young talent to move from Pitt.

    Bay would be a pure salary dump. Any talent they bring back for these two will look great to the fans in Pitt.

    11:06 AM

     
    Anonymous Two-By-Four said...

    John Sickels writes at minorleagueball.com:

    I don't like the way the Mets have handled their prospects lately. Carlos Gomez was badly, BADLY rushed, and they have pushed Fernando Martinez and Deolis Guerra much too quickly in my opinion. Carlos Gomez had no business in the majors last year. He's a remarkable athlete with plus speed, a great glove, and offensive potential. But his bat is unrefined. His plate discipline is poor, his power is undeveloped, and he needs regular playing time get his swing in gear and work these issues out. Regular playing time in Double-A and Triple-A, not in the majors. Sticking him in the regular lineup in '08, like the Mets are talking about, is a huge risk for his long-term development, and an unnecessary one. The Mets are hardly strapped for resources, and putting this guy in the lineup seems pointless to me. Surely then can find a decent stopgap veteran, or even someone trapped in Triple-A with another team. Normally I'm all in favor of playing the kids, but I want to play kids who are ready. Gomez isn't ready. Maybe I'm wrong, and if he has a great year I'll gladly admit it. But right now he's a .240 hitter, with no power and a weak on-base percentage. The only things he does well right now are field and steal bases, and you can find guys who do that. Why risk Gomez's career? And why bust his service time? It makes no sense to me at all. Grade B because of his long-term potential.

    New York Mets: OMG this farm system sucks.

    3:05 PM

     
    Anonymous Dep said...

    Sickels is an idiot and is clearly biased against the mets.

    I love how he completely ignores how basically every mets OF was on the DL and that's why Gomez was called up.

    but hey Sickels, continue to rant!

    11:59 AM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Furture topic?

    Compare the pros and cons of having Johan Santana vs. Dan Haren.

    Just a thought.

    Wiggleypoo

    12:37 PM

     
    Anonymous DG said...

    This is from the preamble to Jim Callis's newest Ask BA
    (which does not stand for BIG ASS); it should put to rest all questions of compensation after the, ahem, "loss" of Tom Glavine...

    I hope everyone enjoyed their Thanksgiving. Five compensation free agents have changed teams, so we have our first alterations to the 2008 draft order. The highest pick to change hands so far is No. 18, which goes from the Braves to the Mets after Atlanta signed Type A free agent Tom Glavine.

    Point taken?

    2:57 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    haren vs santana

    0 cy's vs 2 cy's

    righty vs lefty

    white guy vs spanish guy

    adv johan! los mets!

    3:48 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Hey, if we supposedly don't have enough to get Santana, couldn't we trade one of those draft picks as well?

    7:15 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Scott

    Cant trade draft picks like in NFL.

    Haren should also take less to obtain than SAntana.

    9:27 PM

     
    Anonymous Two-By-Four said...

    Some evaluations by Sickels:

    New York Mets Top 20 Prospects for 2008

    All grades are EXTREMELY PRELIMINARY and subject to change.


    Fernando Martinez, OF, Grade B+

    Deolis Guerra, RHP, Grade B+

    Carlos Gomez, OF, Grade B (undecided, may raise to B+. You guys are right about the injuries, but you also need to be more wary of Mets propaganda.)

    Kevin Mulvey, RHP, Grade B (may raise to B+)

    Jon Niese, LHP, Grade B

    Eddie Kunz, RHP, Grade B

    Phil Humber, RHP, Grade B-

    Brant Rustich, RHP, Grade B-

    Joe Smith, RHP, Grade B-

    Nick Evans, 1B, Grade C+

    Stephen Clyne, RHP, Grade C+

    Scott Moviel, RHP, Grade C+

    Brahiam Maldonado, OF, Grade C+ (deserves more respect)

    Nate Vinyard, LHP, Grade C (although I like him)

    Robert Parnell, RHP, Grade C

    Mike Carp, 1B, Grade C

    Hector Pellot, 2B, Grade C

    Dan Murphy, 3B, Grade C

    Ezequiel Carrera, OF, Grade C

    Greg Veloz, 2B, Grade C

    There are 15 other Grade C prospects in the book who are interchangeable with these other guys. There are some toolsy players like Francisco Pena and Juan Lagares with dismal performance records that I cannot rate highly at this point, no matter how much the Mets talk about them. There is some nice pitching in this system, but depth in position players is very weak. Overall the system is better than it looks at first, but lack of hitting depth is a problem, and I hate the way they rush some of their prospects.

    11:49 PM

     
    Anonymous DGDGDGDGDGDGDGDGDGDGDGDG said...

    Well, holy shit, the YANKEES are in ongoing negotiations with the Twins regarding Johan Santana!! Stop the fucking presses you know? Make sure we all see that!

    But then wait, so are the mets (no capitals there!) and a couple of other teams. So what's the big fucking story? That Hal Stottlemeier, I mean, Steinbrenner opened his fucking trap? Well, geez, they're just so much closer than us, then. I bet they're already putting his fucking number on a uniform.

    11:31 AM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Scott

    I was actually quite happy with Sickles assessment of the farm. There is an absolute vacuum when it come to catching prospects in the system and we are stacked with c and c+ pitching. Might be time to trade some of the pitching at the lower lvl to pick up one or two talented catching prospects. Also, he is spot on when he mentions the lack of depth in hitting. We have three guys who look like they will pan out (Gomez,Edge and FMart) then no one. No good looking 1b seems worrying considering Delgado looked old last season (though the Straw thinks he was injured and will bounce back) and will need to be replaced next off season.

    2:52 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    On the Haren - Santana front...lets get Haren. Haren (it appears) will take less to get than Santana and though he is a righty, Haren had just as good a year for Oakland as Santana did for the Twinks.

    Haren- Pelfrey, Heilman and Milledge.
    That is a fair deal and then we keep Gomez and F-Mart who I think would both have to go in a Santana deal.

    Haren is also not bound by a NTC, has 3 years of nice low money coming to him and is only 27. If he is available at the Winter meetings I am sure he will be in someones Xmas stocking not long after.

    Haren also means we will be looking good to sign Pedro to another2 year deal after next season (all being well with him) AND have the extra bucks to sign another top pitcher if we need to next off season and have Gomez as a (hopefully) huge trade chip if an Oswlt et al show up on the trade radar.

    2:59 PM

     
    Anonymous MikeinSpaininLA said...

    Here's the thing about Haren -- isn't it all media speculation that he's "on the market?" I mean, why would the A's move a Cy young candidate in his prime who's signed to a cheap contract for the next few years? You think the A's have a better shot over the next 5 years with Phil Humber, Joe Smith and Lastings Millege? I don't.

    Billy Beane got rid of Hudson, Mulder and Zito on their way down and when their contract demands were too high. There's no reason for them to trade Haren. None.

    4:51 PM

     
    Anonymous Two-By-Four said...

    Billy Wagner with some candid comments on the state of the Mets as reported by Marty Nobel at MLB.Com is bound to cause controversy. About his manager’s use of the pen Wagner noted:

    "In Willie Randolph's bullpen, it's different. He wants guys to be able to go 2 2/3 innings or one-third of an inning or in between. That's how he wants it. But guys just want to know, so they can prepare themselves and be comfortable."

    "I understand what Willie wants -- for a lot of guys to be able to pitch whenever they're needed for as long as he needs them. I'm not sure you can have that. Guys are used to having roles. They'll take the ball because that's what the job is and that's what the manager wants. But the idea is to get them into situations where they can be successful. I mean, you wouldn't ask Carlos Delgado to bunt."


    On the loss of Glavine he said:

    “We've lost 13 games [Glavine's victory total], and now we are going have to give up something to get those games back. I'm afraid we're just going to create other holes if we give up a [Lastings] Milledge, a [Mike] Pelfrey or a Heilman."

    11:59 PM

     
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