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Tuesday, November 20, 2007

Goodbye Glavine

I know there are a lot of people out there wondering how Glavine will be replaced. In regards to the '08 Glavine, I do not think it will be all that hard. Keith Law says it best and this is the main reason why I am not sorry he is gone.

Glavine's stuff is just about gone. His fastball is only 80-84 mph and looks softer than that, almost like BP fastballs. His curveball is a big slow roller around 75-77 mph, and his changeup -- once a plus pitch -- is fringe-average, mostly 74-75 mph, but the way his arm slows as he throws it is a tip-off to observant hitters. His command is good, but needs to be almost perfect, and his game plan is to avoid contact at all costs. If he's not getting a generous strike zone, he's in trouble because his stuff is so hittable, and he doesn't have a pitch with which he can fool hitters.

I just saw too many games where he just had nothing and if he was not getting an inch off the plate, he was done. You could tell if Glavine was going to have a 'good' day or a 'bad' day from how the umpire was calling the first pitches. Full count on the first few batters? Glavine was going to get shelled because he was not getting a generous zone. I do not think Glavine was doing anything different for the most part on this 'good' days and 'bad' days, but he needed assistance on the 'good' ones.

Yes, he gave us innings. Yes, he did some good things for this team. However, he is an aging Hall of Famer that is way past his prime and his usefulness. Give me a first round pick in '08 and someone else who can get remotely close to his 200 innings instead. It was time the Mets and Glavine part ways and those of you who think the Mets will miss him more than they think will not be saying that as he owns a 4.75 to 5.00 ERA mid-way through the year and labors through yet another season.

For Atlanta, the move has a second ramification beyond the money spent on the contract. Glavine was a Type A free agent, and by signing him before the arbitration deadline, Atlanta ceded its first-round draft pick to the Mets. New York now has the 18th pick, and the 20th pick if it doesn't sign a Type A free agent of its own, while Atlanta won't pick until the second round if it chooses not to offer arbitration to Andruw Jones. It's strange to see an organization that built a long run of success on scouting and player development give up a draft pick for a one-year player who might be a good fifth starter if everything breaks right, and it won't help the Braves restock their farm system after a cupboard-emptying July, when they dealt prospects to Texas for Mark Teixeira.

In regards to the Braves staff, they have two legit frontline starters. Glavine fits much better in the framework of their team being he will be a #3, #4, or #5 for them. With the Mets, Willie would have contiually treated him like their ace and probably would have been starting game one or two of any potential playoff run to maximize his usage in the playoffs. The Braves bolstered their rotation at the cost of a first round draft pick, but the Mets are clearly better off in my eyes. No more Glavine to shake his head at the Mets celebrating and no more hoping the umps are on our side when he starts. I for one, am happy.

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  • Pitching pitching and more pitching...

    Replacing the 200-1/3 innings that Glavine gave the Mets in 2007 will be the tougher of the two because the best free-agent starters - Carlos Silva, Kyle Lohse and Livan Hernandez - really don't belong at the top of a rotation. It will take a trade and though the Mets' farm system is shallow, Minaya believes there is enough to get someone who fits the description. He said he even is willing to combine major league players with prospects to get such a pitcher.

    He added that he would rather go with Mets prospects than the available free agent arms. "I think Mike Pelfrey has very good potential to (match) what's out there and better," he said.


    If the price is right, Silva and Lohse are not bad choices. They make the Mets younger and give them the precious innings that were vacated by Glavine. Also, the Mets are not necessarily looking for ace. They can do it with a solid rotation, good offense, and good bullpen as in 2006. They also have three pretty good pitchers at the front end in Pedro, Maine, and Perez. Ace material these days? No, but #2 to #3 types which is just fine in a consistent rotation.

    And no, Blanton is not the right guy. Unless they are pitching for a power armed difference maker, why waste the prospects? Is he really that much better than what is out there?

  • The Angels pulled off a great trade to give them an excellent rotation and seems to be a precursor for another deal. Wood starting the year at short with Tejada at third seems about right to me.

  • Even Plan Z might be off the table this week in regards to the catching vacancy. Consider the Mets officially bent over. Though no GM would be advised to not make a deal because they could not rip the Mets off, but that is how many teams have dealt with the Mets over the years. Let's see if Omar can miraculously pull something off here without getting ripped off.
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    Anonymous seattle steve said...

    Since our needs are a pitcher and a catcher, the trade market I'm afraid will be such that teams will try to rob poor Omar since he and Willie's jobs are now on the line. They both got a pass for the 2007 collapse and if there are no playoffs in 08 Willie will be gone for sure and Omar may not be far behind.
    Unless a stud pitcher can be had (santana, haren) sign a free agent for the back end of the rotation and hope Duaner comes back to fortify the bullpen.
    Offer LaDuca a 2 year deal at his same pay, if he can get more someplace else more power to him.
    Sit David Wright down and tell him that he is the leader of this team and just doing it on the field is not enough, other than Pedro there are no leaders on this team and we need one, Willies style of managing at times is to player friendly ( maybe he should go down to Tampa and visit w/ Lou for a week).
    I like our bench, the starting 8 is OK ( castro the catcher) but to be honest I am starting to have my doubts about Omar and his trading ability and the people we have evaluating talent for the ML draft.

    11:56 AM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Over at rotowrold.com they have their usual theories on who may or may not get traded this off season in their MLB section. They offer a few Mets deals but this one caught my eye:


    Dan Haren, Joe Blanton, Rich Harden (Athletics)

    If the A's decide to rebuild, they'll trade at least one and probably two starters, with Chad Gaudin also a possibility to go. Haren, the AL ERA leader for much of last year, would command the highest price tag. He'll earn just $16.25 million over the next three seasons. Blanton is arbitration eligible for the first time and is under control for three more years. It's likely that he'll make $3.5 million-$4 million next year. Harden is set to earn $4.5 million in 2008. There's a 2009 option on his contract worth $7 million, but if he gets hurt again, that can be declined and he'd have to settle for less in arbitration. He'll then be a free agent after 2009. Since he's pitched just 72 innings the last two years, Harden is the best bet to stay.

    Possibilities

    Haren to Mets for OF Lastings Milledge, OF Fernando Martinez and RHP Aaron Heilman

    Haren to Dodgers for OF Matt Kemp, 3B Andy LaRoche and RHP James McDonald

    Haren to D'Backs for 1B Conor Jackson, OF Carlos Gonzalez and RHP Dustin Nippert

    Blanton to Mets for OF Lastings Milledge and RHP Aaron Heilman

    Blanton to Dodgers for OF Matt Kemp

    Blanton to Phillies for 2B Adrian Cardenas, LHP J.A. Happ and RHP Joe Bisenius

    Harden to Red Sox for INF Jed Lowrie, RHP Michael Bowden and LHP Hunter Jones

    Prediction - Haren traded to Mets, Others stay

    That's.....that's a lot. As much as I like Haren, I cant give up THAT!.....unless you can convince me that we dont sign any Type A Free Agents this year and keep keep the 18, 20 and the sandwich pick in this years draft.

    - Nokes

    12:30 PM

     
    Anonymous DG's All Day Emporium said...

    It's going to be Haren to the Mets for two pitchers (Heilman & Mulvey?) and MIlledge. No way it's Martinez. That just takes them way off plan (which is to have Beltran surrounded by young outfielders in 09).

    I'm actually a bit surprised by the Angels trade. Garland is overrated in my view. They have tons of pitchers. But they effectively have a $13.5 million commitment to him next year and seven starters. I'm sure this is gearing up to trade a major league ready pitcher to the Marlins along with a boatload of prospects. But, I'm happy Garland is not coming to the Mets!

    1:38 PM

     
    Anonymous DG's All Day Emporium said...

    It's going to be Haren to the Mets for two pitchers (Heilman & Mulvey?) and MIlledge. No way it's Martinez. That just takes them way off plan (which is to have Beltran surrounded by young outfielders in 09).

    I'm actually a bit surprised by the Angels trade. Garland is overrated in my view. They have tons of pitchers. But they effectively have a $13.5 million commitment to him next year and seven starters. I'm sure this is gearing up to trade a major league ready pitcher to the Marlins along with a boatload of prospects. But, I'm happy Garland is not coming to the Mets!

    1:38 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Scott From Peekskill

    One name not bandied around is Jason Jennings. I have said it before...if you can pitch well at Coors you should b able to pitch well anywhere. Jennings was nearly brilliant in Denver and might...MIGHT be worth a 2 year deal. 29yo and coming off of his worst career year. 212 innings pitched in 06 with an era of 3.78. He would have been the best pitcher FA if he had not gotten injured. Could Dr.Peterson 'fix' him?

    Bartolo Colon and Kerry Wood might be 2 sleepers. Wood could be especially handy if Peterson could fix his mechanics like he has fixed other pitchers. He could be an ace again for someone.

    Colon requires a weight clause to stop him getting injured again He too was an ace before that big flapping belly screwed him up AND he is an Omar favorite from Montreal.

    For catcher we MUST, must sign Doug Mirabelli! 2 weeks into the season Boston will just about trade us Papelbon to get him back! Haha.

    2:12 PM

     
    Anonymous benny blanco from da bronx said...

    People always talk about those "13 victories and 200 innings" when talking about how hard it will be to replace Glavin'e innings. Forget the actual innings how about the quality of those innings?
    I'd rather have a guy pitch 160 innings with a 2.00 ERA than 200 innings of shit.
    As far as Glavine goes, I was in the stands for his start at Yankee Stadium when he got rocked and as soon as I saw him warm up and looked at my friend and said "oh man... he's going to get rocked today". And boy did he ever! EVen the foul ball swings were like monster swings. No more Glavine... thank goodness, I'm glad he's gone. He can only get worse not better. And besides that Atlanta defense? Deffinitly not as good as the Mets defense AND they're losing Andruw Jones.
    Replacing the 200-1/3 innings that Glavine gave the Mets in 2007 will be the tougher of the two because the best free-agent starters - Carlos Silva, Kyle Lohse and Livan Hernandez - really don't belong at the top of a rotation.
    Well Glavine never belonged at the top niether!

    You can argue that the Mets don't need an ace and I will disagree with you. Bring in an impact pitcher. Otherwise nothing changes between 2006 and 2007.

    Plan Z, lol, let the Brewers HAVE Jason Kendall. That Johnny Estrada trade might be interesting and the best way to go.

    Jimmy Rollins won the NL MVP, ugh. It hurts just because it was a Phillie. I hate the Phillies.

    2:18 PM

     
    Anonymous DG's All Day Emporium said...

    Actually I give Rollins props for backing his words up with a stellar season. He was the MVP and for once, the real guy won it.

    Got to love that Blanton for Milledge & Heilman! Talk about overpaying...

    2:29 PM

     
    Anonymous benny blanco from da bronx said...

    Meh, I still refuse to belive the Phillies were the better team. The Mets HANDED them the division. The Phillies did not win the division, the Mets simply just LOST it.

    3:12 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    Willie gets a pass? Really? I think he didn't do much to build up any good will. I thought he was tactically bad in all three years and his motivation style seemed to be a big problem and the team did not play for him (or so it seemed) which is his biggest asset. I think Omar has some goodwill, but really, he is on thin ice if there is another bad seasons since it is undeniable his aggressive approach back fired.

    Unless a stud pitcher can be had (santana, haren) sign a free agent for the back end of the rotation and hope Duaner comes back to fortify the bullpen.

    Agreed...but I think I still want a reliever. They need to get another reliever and there are some nice arms out there.

    Better yet on LoDuca, offer him arb and if walks, they get another pick. If he accepts, you only have him for one year. Win win!

    I agree on Wright's end, but he may do that. He has already said he has no problems talking to someone if they do something wrong. They should NOT have to ask their players to step up because their manager is lacking in an area that is supposed to be their asset. If he is tactically bad and cannot motivate, why is he here? Let him go manage a team with no expectations.

    Nokes...good stuff. I agree with you as well. No WAY you give up that much for Blanton...just overpay for Silva then. If that happens, I might go on strike. That is a lot for Haren, but I would do it if the Mets kept F-Mart and give up Pelfrey or Humber or Mulvey.

    DG...I love the move for the Angels. Garland is solid and just gives them so much depth. Lackey, Santana, Garland, Weaver, and Nick Adenhart? Very nice. I guess I like him more than you and think he would have been nice on this team giving them stability and decent innings. He also pitched in a bandbox, though I did not check his splits. I would have not been suprised so see a 3.90 ERA from Garland at Shea.

    Scott...is Jennings OK from day #1? I wouldn't mind that move either. Colon and too much of a risk, I'd rather do Garcia and let him come back mid-year. I wouldn't mind Wood as a set-up man, but you cannot depend on him as a starter and we simply cannot have the Mets get caught with their pants down.

    Mirabelli it is! Don't joke around. It might happen.

    Benny....he did have the 5th most quality starts. Though I am glad to see him gone.

    An ace would be nice. I would not complain, but it is not necessary. They have enough solid pitchers to make it not matter. As long as you a deep, you can get around that and I don't think they should get an ace at all costs. I just don't....

    I can't complain about Rollins winning it and everyone really knew that would be the case. Wright should have won....sucks. He would have gotten it if the Mets could have one just one more game.

    3:30 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    Fielder over Wright as well? Jose Valverde got a vote? Really, I don't know why I even care. You need to have a dramatic ending to a season or just have the most HRs and RBIs to win.

    What a crock of shit. They chose Rollins because someone on the Phillies had to win. How could someone not of? While I am not surprised at the outcome, I thought Wright could be second or third.

    3:34 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    Neyer says it best.

    It doesn't bother me that Jimmy Rollins won the NL MVP Award. He scored a million runs. He stole 41 bases. He hit 38 doubles, 20 triples and 30 home runs. He played 162 games. He's not a great defensive shortstop and didn't deserve his Gold Glove, but he's plenty good enough.

    What bothers me is the utter lack of consistency from year to year.

    In 2006, Ryan Howard's team finished three games out of the playoffs, and yet in the MVP balloting Howard out-pointed Albert Pujols -- whose team did qualify for the playoffs. This, even though Pujols finished with a higher on-base percentage and a higher slugging percentage while playing his home games in a pitcher's park (Howard played his in a hitter's park).

    So if you don't have to play for a playoff team, what's wrong with David Wright, exactly?

    3:37 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    When I wrote this entry, I didn't have the complete results. Now I see that four voters didn't believe Wright was among the 10 most valuable players in the league. Can someone track down the identities of those four, or some of them? I'm not nearly as enthusiastic about "outing" dumb writers as I used to be. But I mean, c'mon guys. Is this really the best you can do?

    ~ Neyer

    3:43 PM

     
    Anonymous ossy said...

    160 innings of 2.00 era is gonna put 40 innings on ur pen. the more innings ur pen works. the worse it gets. simple as that

    glavine was 9th in the majors in terms of quality starts (more than santana). he got bombed alot but he threw good games...

    him being gone will hurt more than people think... he still is a dick though.

    rick rubin said we'd get a sandwich pick for him and not a 18. who is right and who is wrong?

    rollins winning is a joke. i wanna see someone put a fucking pitch in his mouth next year. the mets lost. the phils didnt win.

    the mets main problem was their offense last year. they shouldve been bludgeoning teams but werent cus alou was hurt and delgado is washedup. it will be good to get a front line starter but if we cant consistently maintain a dangerous lineup, we will suffer. games will be tighter.. pen gets overworked... starters get overworkd. its all related.

    4:20 PM

     
    Anonymous seattle steve said...

    What hurts the most about Rollins winning the MVP is that he had the season we were expecting from our SS.

    4:21 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    Glavine is a Typa A free agent. The Braves signed him before the 12.07.07. We get their 1st round pick. Plain and simple.

    From MLB. Of course they don't explicitly say Type As receive direct compensation, but you can certainly infer it from history and how they define Type B. And Glavine is 100% a Type A free agent. Good times.

    I do agree the Mets need innings, but 160 is a bit drastic. Give me 185 and I'll be happy and I'll wager those extra 15 innings won't be a big deal if the Mets can NOT put out Park, Lawrence, etc. for way too many starts and Pelfrey gets a bit better. If not and the Mets are taxed more, you'll see the same thing happen.

    4:33 PM

     
    Anonymous MikeinSpaininLA said...

    Gotta agree with Ossy... Glavine's consistency, even if it was consistent mediocrity, is the kind of thing that's necessary to sustain a team over 162 games. There's no way you can guarantee 200 innings from, say, Pelfrey. You can't guarantee more than 50 out of Pedro. Ditto on El Duque. Fact of the matter is, while I don't want Glavine starting in the playoffs, he was a rock for us over the past few regular seasons.

    4:36 PM

     
    Anonymous ossy said...

    estrada for mota!!!

    estrada can start off 0 for 200 and ill be happy mota is gone!

    6:25 PM

     
    Anonymous Dep said...

    MOTA IS GONE!

    REJOICE!

    6:39 PM

     
    Anonymous seattle steve said...

    WOW... maybe my PTSD RE: Omar and his trade ability was spoken to soon...Estrada for Mota is an excellent trade, a catcher for a pitcher who no longer could pitch at Shea.

    7:18 PM

     
    Anonymous Danny said...

    A master stroke by Omar.

    7:57 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    Again, I'll roll the dice without him and try and get a nice piece for the future. He stands to regress more and we are not alone. Some 'experts' do agree. We just differ on this topic and I cannot stand to watch him labor through another year. Even in good games, he was struggling. He sailed through very few games and simply cannot put the ball by anyone and relies too much on things he cannot control, like the ump.

    And if you don't want him going for you in the playoffs, what does that say about him? And if he is on the team and they make the playoffs, he gets a 1 or 2 spot maximizing his innings because Willie is managing and you simply have to Willie proof the team. Obviously we are putting the cart before the horse here since the Mets are far from being a lock to make the playoffs, but I still maintain that it is necessary to walk away.

    How do you not like the move? Mota is gone and Estrada is here. Wow...Estrada has some baggage, but how do you not like the move. It frees up some space for Omar to chase another relieve and solves a huge headache. SWELLICIOUS!

    8:06 PM

     
    Blogger Rickey Henderson said...

    Goodbye and good riddance.

    8:21 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Scott

    Just when i was wondering if Omar lost his trade Mojo... F.kin BOOM!

    OK its not Santana or even close but there r our 2 starting catchers! He also added to the BP by subtracting Mota. My faith in you is strong Uncie Omar.

    8:32 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    LIFE BEGINS AGAIN. HUZZAH!!!

    Emad

    8:36 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    .....how...how the hell does that happen? Estrada for Mota? For MOTA?!?!? Are the Brewers THAT desperate for relief??

    I. Am. Stunned.

    Wow.

    - Nokes

    8:51 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    And Emad rejoices!

    Looks like Omar has gotten back in some people's good graces? A nice move after an inauspicious start to the off-season.

    9:49 PM

     
    Anonymous seattle steve said...

    If you look at our current roster of pitchers... going North as of today.. feliciano, Heilman, Hernandez, Maine, Martinez, Perez, Scoenweis, Sosa and wagner,thats 9, so if nothing is done we still have Smith, Pelfry, Humber, Duaner, padilla to pick from.
    A #1 or 2 starter would be a nice addition but I don't see it happening with out us un loading our top farm system babies.

    9:50 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I understand Estrada has his own baggage, but you just can't trust that Willie won't use Mota in high-leverage situations again.

    There is a good chance that Johnny will be useful, and if he isn't, you can just cut him. It also gives the Mets leverage in case they want Ramon Hernandez.

    Emad

    11:41 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Nice trade. While he's not adept at catching baserunners, I'll take his bat over Yourjust Torrible anyday.

    Who were the other 5 listed by the Brewers? I'm sure Omar din't have to think long on which one (Mota)of the 6 should go.

    The Cubs should be happy with that deal..hahaha.

    -Will

    11:54 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Now, if we can just get hime to fight Willie and knock him out!

    11:56 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    And Rollins too

    12:03 AM

     
    Anonymous Two-By-Four said...

    Jon Heyman during his spot on the M & MD show speculated that the two most probable teams to trade for Santana will be the Yankees and Bosox because both teams have the prospects to trade and the revenues to sign Santana. He doesn’t believe the Mets have the necessary depth in the farm system to make the trade. He points to Yankees Scouting Director, Damon Oppenheimer and Brian Cashman’s directive to pick the best talent available for each pick regardless of contract demands as the reason for the Yankees suddenly excellent farm system.

    Heyman also said that in light of the meltdown Omar must make a major trade. Apparently Omar was reluctant to include Lastings Milledge as part of a package for Brian Schneider and Ryan Church of the nationals. I’m happy Omar doesn’t pay attention to these absurd suggestions by the media.

    I’ve learned that with Omar it’s a waste of time to speculate. When I see posters or bloggers or reporters advocating or projecting trades I just accept it for what it is, balderdash. Omar always pulls off the unexpected.

    BTW Matt Cerrone over at Metsblog wrote that Ramon Hernandez was Omar’s choice for catcher just before they traded for PLD. According to Cerrone, Omar could not sign Hernandez because Fred and Ethel Wilpon would not allow Omar to exceed the budget that was already increased to accommodate the signing of Wagner, etc. I recall the Newsday beat writer at the time (I don’t recall who it was) making the same claim. Recall that Glavine restructured his contract mid-season to free up money for the Mets to make some moves. So let’s not blame Omar for some of these moves without looking at the budgetary restrictions placed on him. He has more to play with than other teams but sometimes the Wilpon’s can’t help themselves but put ridiculous restrictions at the most inopportune times. It seems every so often Fred Coupon takes control of Fred Wilpon’s body.

    12:06 AM

     
    Blogger Sidd Finch said...

    I know the Wilpons get a lot of grief from Mets fans because of their pecuniary ways, but it's sad to say they are probably the best owners the Mets have ever had.

    When the Wilpons were co-owners of the team, they would alternate between throwning money around on stupid free agent signings, and not going into the free agent market (see 'The Worst Team Money Could Buy')

    I always thought that Mota was hard to figure out, I like guys with stuff, but I'm glad he's someone else's problem now.

    Does anyone know what Estrada's numbers were throwing out base stealers?

    9:53 AM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Estrada threw out 13% last year but I believe it was his worst year ever.

    -Will

    10:12 AM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    Emad you stole my thunder. This team is a bit more Willie-proofed. Just amazing that a team has to be built that way, but if they want to stick with Willie this is what has to happen until a capable manager that knows who can you know...actually play, they need to get rid of guys like Mota and Green so he has no choice but to play the right guys.

    twobyfour, it does not surprise me the Wilpons did not let Omar exceed a budget. However, would the extra million for Hernandez made that much of a difference? Regardless of the truth of that statement, the Mets do not have unlimited cash like many believe. They have a finite amount of money and cannot operate like the Red Sox and the Yankees.

    10:53 AM

     
    Blogger Anthony said...

    Omar's back! Love this trade. Now if we can find someone to take Schoe life would be good. Maybe we could package Schoe in a deal for Santana...ha! Wouldn't be surprised to NOT see Estrada on this team opening day. Could be a set up for a trade still. Either way, excellent move. No more of that piece Mota. The bullpen just got a lot stronger.

    11:26 AM

     
    Anonymous DG said...

    Estrada leverages the catchers market for the Mets at worst and may be a better investment in the short term given that many impending FA's put up better (at least) to career numbers in their walk year. Sure, some stuff out there today about his attitude, but it also sounds like he was banged up all year last year.

    If the Mets don't make another trade for a catcher, I'd still love to see the Mets offer arbitration to LoDuca. He'd have to be in full fuck you mode to accept it, and then the Mets might be able to spin one of Estrada or LoDuca off for a reliever (even if they have to eat $2 million it still could be enticing to someone). And of course when LoDuca says no, the Mets get an extra draft pick.

    I'm actually not in the toss Shoenough mode, Anthony. I think we can reasonably expect a much better year from him in 2008. For me, the key to strengthening the pen is what happens on the right handed side. Feliciano and Shoenough make a more than serviceable middle relief tandem from the left side.

    How did Joe Blanton join the rank of "elite" pitchers? He's an above average innings eater, nothing more. If the Mets traded Milledge and Heilman for him, I'd be seriously disappointed in Omar. In any case, Haren is the ticket. That is, after Santana.

    12:36 PM

     
    Blogger Itsmetsforme said...

    Mota and Glavine gone in the same week? I haven't been this happy since that time I took a bubble bath with Jessica Alba.

    1:12 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    DG...I was thinking the same thing. The Mets needing and elite pitcher has been in the news a lot and Joe Blanton is curiously in the discussions as someone being targeted. Seriously, I'd puke if it was Milledge for Blanton. Ridiculous....

    Bubble bath with Jessica Alba and I was not included?

    2:59 PM

     
    Blogger Anthony said...

    I see where you're coming from DG. I do feel as long as Schoe is used properly (not overused and mostly as a left handed specialist) he could be all right as you said. But I wouldn't lose sleep over it if he was traded either.

    IMFM, wow, didn't think of that with Glavine/Mota until you put in writing. That is phenomenal.

    The more info I check out on Estrada, it sounds like he could be a more than serviceable catcher along with Castro. A great move.

    It's going to be interesting to see how this Santana thing shakes out. Doesn't sound like he will be a Twin on opening day. Mike, agreed, vomit in my mouth at just the thought of Millegde for Blanton. Gross.

    3:10 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    If the Mets were depending on him to start 140 games, it might get ugly. But a nice mix of the two is not a bad way to head into the season and Omar is officially no longer bent over the barrel and has plenty of leverage right now in regards to trading for a catcher.

    A great move for that reason alone and he is only a one year commitment. I cannot be convinced to not like this move.

    Santana's cost seems crazy high. Four players...two guys that can start in the bigs now and two minor leaguers and all of them solid prospects/players and a seven year commitment beyond this year at about $20 million bucks? Holy crap. Not sure I want to jump in on that one. The Mets would have to literally give up everyone that they have....Milledge, Heilman, Mulvey, Gomez, and Pelfrey. At some point it is too much.

    3:15 PM

     
    Anonymous DG said...

    Personally I don't think the Mets will give up both of their near major league ready outfielders, and I still doubt as well that the team will trade F-Mart. It's one out of Lasto & Gomez, two pitching prospects and someone else I cannot think of at the moment. An A-ball kind of guy with solid to big upside to make four (or even two to make five). After that seven years at $20 mil a pop. You better get that done!

    3:46 PM

     
    Anonymous dG said...

    Further, anyone surprised the Mets aren't in on Randy Wolf? I realize he's lost two seasons to injuries, but the guy always excelled at Shea.

    4:37 PM

     
    Blogger mr. met said...

    Just say no to Randy Wolf.

    5:29 PM

     
    Anonymous Two-By-Four said...

    However, would the extra million for Hernandez made that much of a difference? Regardless of the truth of that statement, the Mets do not have unlimited cash like many believe. They have a finite amount of money and cannot operate like the Red Sox and the Yankees.

    We will have to wait until April when Forbes has their annual “The Business of Baseball” report for the present year (and we have to realize the Mets’ resources took a hit because they didn’t make the playoffs) but in April of 2007 the value of the franchise was the second highest in baseball and the revenues were slightly greater than the Dodgers and slightly less than the Red Sox. The Yankees led everyone by a huge margin. Steinbrenner for all his belligerence, over-reaction, aggressiveness, and apparent stupidity at times took a franchise that was destroyed by CBS and from a strictly financial point of view has built it into the best in sports entertainment. Even though I hate both teams I would point to Steinbrenner and Jerry Jones as being the two best owners in sports.

    Had the Mets signed Hernandez they may have had an extra chip to trade in Gabby although I haven’t followed his progress in the Marlins’ organization and I don’t know what his trade value is. But catching would not have been a concern this year. OTOH it did get rid of Mota. So maybe it was a blessing in disguise.

    I believe, with Willie, Omar has to micro-manage the team as Beane and Epstein do with their teams.

    It’s amazing how things have changed. The Mets were basically butt raped when they traded Tom Seaver and will be again if they trade for Santana.

    5:54 PM

     
    Anonymous Two-By-Four said...

    Furman Bisher in the AJC writes:

    I put nothing into Glavine’s rocky wind-up in New York: three blown starts, including one tormented one. His mind was at work on other matters. He knew he was pitching his way out of a Mets uniform, and his head was getting mixed signals.

    Now all the disturbing doubts are gone, and here is a man with a freedom of mind. He’s home again. He drives to Turner Field to an old familiar parking space. Walks into home, not the visitors clubhouse, greets old pals and familiar faces. That should add years to his happiness and his ERA.

    Yes, the contract is only for one year. With Glavine’s well-ordered lifestyle, his deep faith, and the ease with which he delivers his 82-mph fastball, change of pace and slider, his trim body should be good for two or three more seasons.

    Home again. There’s nothing like being home again.


    It’s amazing how biased the so called columnists in the AJC are toward the hometown teams. It makes me wonder if the rest of the paper is as opinionated as the sports section. No mater what Mr. Bisher thinks all the peace of mind Glavine now has does not compensate for time’s significant erosion of his pitching talents. As Mike has pointed out he is at the mercy of the size of the umpire’s strike zone. However, in Atlanta he will get those pitches 2 feet off the plate he didn’t get in New York. Cox’s bitching towards the umpires will help Glavine get the calls.

    6:44 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Scott

    46 comments! Holy crap! The movement of Glavine and Mota has stirred the loins of many a Met fan!

    9:16 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I'm just happy to see Glavine where he belongs, where he has always belonged. Hopefully, he doesn't drag his career on and on, like Carlton did. It was sad to see him finish like that.

    Was Alba on TV during the bath?

    -Will

    11:13 PM

     
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Green's replacement???

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3121934

    8:54 AM

     
    Anonymous ossy said...

    hunter to the angels is weird

    11:12 AM

     

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